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| [ti]SW[/ti]SK Peshmerga; Pêşmerge - پێشمەرگە - Southern Kurdistan army | |
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| ALAN | 9th March 2016 - 12:15 PM Post #11501 |
 
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Germany should "sell" Peshmerga anti AA guns...  
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
 
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| ALAN | 9th March 2016 - 12:49 PM Post #11502 |
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Chatulio | 10th March 2016 - 06:52 AM Post #11503 |
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Hello everyone, according to the german news-outlet n-tv, US special forces have arrested a chemical weapons specialist of the IS-terrorists. http://www.n-tv.de/politik/US-Soldaten-nehmen-IS-Giftgasexperten-fest-article17184066.html A rough translation would be about as follows: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  The airstrikes of the USA in the past days have targeted especially possible chemical weapon-depots. (Archive-picture) (Photo: REUTERS) Wednesday, 09th of March 2016 Mustard gas in artillery shells US-soldiers arrest IS-poison gas expert In Iraq the US-military succeeded in arresting an important chemical weapons expert of the so-called 'islamic state'. He spoke in questionings about, how the jihadists fight with mustard gas. The terrorist already belonged to Saddam Hussein's weapon experts. US-special forces in Iraq have arrested a high-ranked chemical weapons expert of the so-called 'islamic state'. That is reported by the 'New York Times', citing official representatives of the US Ministry of Defense, but gave no names. The man has reportedly been arrested in a raid last month and is currently under US-arrest in Hewlêr in the KRG. The questioning the jihadist named Sleiman Daoud al-Afari, according to the 'New York Times', spoke about, how the IS-terrorists loaded mustard gas in powder-form into artillery shells. The concentration has reportedly not been high enough to kill humans - but to injure and maim them. Al-Afari is considered an important IS-fighter and reportedly already worked on chemical weapons under Saddam Hussein. Mustard-gas depots targeted At the same time, the US-airforce has attacked several chemical weapons depots of the extremist-milita in KRG. The goal was, to reduce the capacitiy of the IS-terrorists to deploy mustard gas, reported the sender CNN. Whether the attacks was successful, was not entirely clear. A village south of the city Kirkuk was hit by several missles with poisonous substances, according to the provincial governour. More than 40 inhabitants had suffocation attacks and skin irritations. No deaths have been reported. The missles had been fired from areas under the control of the IS-terrorists. Source: n-tv.de , fma/dpa/rts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With best regards, Chatulio |
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| Ghost | 10th March 2016 - 08:19 AM Post #11504 |
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Sehr schöne Nachricht und wie immer dankbar, beautiful! |
AN KURDISTAN, AN NEMAN! |
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| Chatulio | 10th March 2016 - 08:28 AM Post #11505 |
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Hello there Ghost, I'd definitely like more deliveries, but at least something is being done (which is more than can be said for some coalition-members), despite the resistence from the Leftists and the Greens. With best regards, Chatulio |
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| ALAN | 10th March 2016 - 09:27 AM Post #11506 |
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| jjmuneer | 10th March 2016 - 09:44 AM Post #11507 |
 
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I think we should stick to the AK platform. Buy Russian AK-74s, standard for the Russian military. They are far more reliable than the M16s. Albiet the M16s are better are long distances. |
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| Chatulio | 10th March 2016 - 09:44 AM Post #11508 |
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Hello ALAN, while I guess the pictures were intended by Rudaw to show the new US weapons, a surprising number of pictures show german weapons, in particular the Panzerfaust 3. I guess the pictures were taken at the new course at the KTCC, where Peshmerga are trained both with US-donated and Germany-donated weapons in the ten-weeks course. It's good to see that other coalition members are also making serious material contributions. With best regards, Chatulio |
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| chivaz serko | 10th March 2016 - 11:53 AM Post #11509 |
 
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the european colation training peshmerga isnt effective, it took peshmerga about a year and a half to liberate shingal and they still have not liberated the christian towns and villages east of mosul. peshmerga should ask ypg to train them instead and kick the useless so called anti isis colation out of SK |
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| Alasha | 10th March 2016 - 09:35 PM Post #11510 |
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my friend, if you think that peshmerga could not liberate shingal because they had to train for 2 years, then i will eate a kebab today 
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Jet fuel can't melt steel beams "If Turkey allows itself interfere in the matter of Kerkûk because of a few thousand Turkmen, we will do the same with regard to Diyarbakir (Amed) and other Kurdistani cities in Turkey because of 30 million Kurds." - Massoud Barzani |
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| Chatulio | 10th March 2016 - 09:50 PM Post #11511 |
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Hello chivaz serko, with a post like that, I'm not even sure where to start... A) Associative error: Trying to link a training program with current progress of a military is nonsensical. The decision of when to liberate Shingal was made by the leadership of the KRG and the Peshmerga and was not tied to the KTCC and its training programs. While there may be incentive to draw out the conflict in order to maximize the training program's output and other support deliveries, I would be disinclined to believe that that is the case. When the KRG-leadership conducts any operation and in what manner is up to them. Coordinating with the coalition naturally allows coalition airforces to provide support, but the coalition isn't making strategic decisions for the KRG, so if they take their time with any liberations, it is their own decision. B) What determines the success of a training program? If we go with increases in professionalism, effectiveness and a reduction of casualties of the units that had passed the program, it would seem it is successful. At least the soldiers who passed it comment regularly that they learned many useful skills and that they'd have lost fewer comrades on the battlefield if they had known that already in the past. Peshmerga leadership also comments on occasion that they notice the significant increase in performance of units that went through the KTCC and they keep sending units to be trained. So in contrast to some armchair-generals, it would seem the soldiers in the field and their leadership consider the training-program (which is always worked out in cooperation with the Ministry for Peshmerga affairs) to be useful and effective. C) What does the anti-IS coalition do in the KRG? Training through the KTCC is just one aspect of the help provided by the coalition. Another is material support, the US just delivered a large load of materials, with the KTCC showing kurdish soldiers how it can be used effectively, and more deliveries are scheduled. Germany also has a scheduled delivery and other coalition partners may as well. These include weapons, from pistols to mortars and ATGMs, armor, NBC-protection gear, medical equipment, vehicles, NV equipment, communications equipment, ammunition and so on. Germany may be the leading contributor, but it is not the only one. Then there are airstrikes, of which the US are the undisputed lead contributors (giving the KRG access to a selection from the the world's most advanced airforces). Over many thousand sorties, the coalition airforces have dropped staggering amounts of high-quality ordanance on the IS-terrorists, both at the front and in the back areas. The effects are often documented in battle reports, as the airstrikes both diminish attacks on Peshmerga lines (often destroying more vehicles than the Peshmerga) and spearheading every offensive (going so far that the IS-terrorists resort to tunnel systems to protect themselves). Targeted airstrikes also killed a considerable number of IS-leaders, destroyed numerous depots, including mustard gas depots lately. The US special forces have also been quite active lately, providing direct support for the kurdish special forces and conducting independent operations, like the capture of an leading IS chemical weapons expert last month. Then there is also financial and humanitarian support that, while there are numerous issues to attend to, help keeping the KRG going financially and allowing them to shelter and supply the refugees on their territory. Altogether, the coalition members, many of whom, like Germany, have no colonial history in the region and no greater economic interests, that the KRG would be fighting for, provide a number of support-activities for the KRG, despite having plenty of troubles of their own to tend to. The leadership of the KRG could, of course, always request the coalition to withdraw from the KRG and cease their activities on the KRG's behalf, but I don't see the consequences as a desirable scenario for the KRG while the coalition members could naturally distribute their resources to other projects. With best regards, Chatulio
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| Chatulio | 10th March 2016 - 10:16 PM Post #11512 |
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Hello everyone, there is a video-report of the training for Peshmerga officers in Germany online on the website of the german military. http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/!ut/p/c4/NYyxDoMwDET_yE46lNINRIeuHdrSLRALLJEEWQaWfnyToXfSW97p8IO50e08OeUU3YJv7Ee-DgcMhycI26IcyLODnT0lJ-PMO8xEAidjz_gqB3k4pkhaqBSVMydxmgTWJLoUs4lkA-yxN7ZrbWX-sd-mena32tSX7t4-cA2h-QFt2lUM/ A rough translation would be about as follows: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Video: Training with the reconnaissance-experts Munster, 09.03.2016, 16E15902. In the KRG, kurdish forces oppose the so-called 'islamic state'. The german army supports them with the know-how of its soldiers. Not only in the KRG, but also in Germany, they train kurds for their fight against the IS-terrorists. Aside of anti-tank-operations and the disarmament of IEDs, now also the topic of reconnaissance is on the program. A video team of the Bundeswehr has accompanied the first training-course. http://www.bundeswehr.de/contentDownload/download/1457516328388ENWj56HaVT9PJwp1RwIjxbWWR56HkUZjCQuDbSOlLLaCWOrWdWQ/Training_bei_den_Aufklaerungsprofis.mp4 (Video in lower quality than on the website) The video begins with a few scenes, then at 00:11, the narrator begins: "Training for Peshmerga in Germany. The Army Recon-Division in Munster trains Peshmerga in reconnaisance for the fight against international terrorism." Then at 00:22, a Peshmerga speaks about the importance of the training, the original are still audiable. At 00:44 the narrator continues: "28 Peshmerga officers and seargants learn about field reconnaisance with simple means in Munster. For the most part, the german instructors train the kurdish comrades in camouflage, building hidden positions and reconnaisance on foot. The soldiers of the Kurdish Security Forces come from eight regions and all are from different units." From 01:15, a german officer speaks: "We hope that the men we train here will take home so much knowledge, that they can pass on their knowledge to their comrades in the KRG. So that the entire kurdish forces can benefit in field-reconnaisance." From 01:22, the narrator continues: "The Peshmerga have come to Germany with widely different levels of experience. Everything from staff-officer to sniper is present. Two-thirds of the men have combat experience. All are very eager and quick to learn." From 01:44, the Peshmerga speaks again. If his words can't be made out, I can provide a separate translation, but I suspect the kurdish original may be better, if it can be made out, than a retranslation from German to English. From 02:01, the narrator continues: "All german instructors already have been on abroad-assignments and are used to work with interpreters, so there is no barrier-of-understanding between the cultures." From 02:12, the Peshmerga speaks, as with the other cases, I can do a retranslation, though if the original can be made out, it would likely be better and catch nuances, the translator perhaps missed." From 02:19, the narrator speaks again: "Whether it is about the building of hideouts or surprising contact with enemy forces, in combat exercises, it shows what the kurdish soldiers have already learned and what still needs to be worked on. With that the training center in Munster has layed the basics for strengthening the Peshmerga in their fight against the so-called 'islamic state'." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With best regards, Chatulio |
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| ALAN | 10th March 2016 - 11:34 PM Post #11513 |
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All we need to maintain any threats out, a fleet of attack helis, a fleet of newer tanks, a fleet of newer artillery and a fleet of advanced AA guns.... who dares to attack us then? |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| FulcrumKAF | 11th March 2016 - 12:50 AM Post #11514 |
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I'd say good communication equipment (and other equipment like helmets, night vision, body armor, first aid kits etc), sufficient amount of transport vehicles and a stable source of ammo remains among our biggest weaknesses, on top of the simple fact that the KRG forces are extremely divided and many formations, especially party brigades, are poorly trained. We were neglected for a decade by the US (the whole Peshmerga army got as much aid as 1 average Iraqi bgde did) and our own leadership (in which different individuals put their own personal interests before national interests), thus our army is in extremely poor shape. All the shiny toys in the world won't do much without a disciplined and well-trained force to handle them. Heck, we can't even effectively utilize the tools we already have now! We need new heavy weaponry, however, first we need to fix these issues (which should have been tackled long ago by our politicians!) |
| The army is the true nobility of a nation Never plan on the thoughts of others, but on their capabilities One indivisible and sovereign Kurdish nation for all Kurds! Chase all al nusra and Daash terrorists out of Kurdistan!! Her biji YPG u Peshmerga! |
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| ALAN | 11th March 2016 - 09:41 AM Post #11515 |
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Well as long as we have PUK and PDK Peshmergas now even Gorran we wont get there... |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 11th March 2016 - 02:49 PM Post #11516 |
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| FulcrumKAF | 12th March 2016 - 02:32 AM Post #11517 |
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Indeed. The unification process unfortunately took a turn for the worse from late 2012 on. Budget issues significantly slowed the process, and when Gorran got the MOP post, PUK completely halted the unification. However, I have great trust in the recent commitment to KRG, compared to previous years, by the US and Europe. If it wasn't for our own economic difficulties right now, I'm sure the combination of western (in particular the US, which have had great interest in the Kurdish institutions) and KRG funds/commitment would drastically change the security establishment in the near future. The economic situation will probably prolong it, but if the western commitment to KRG continues (and public opinion in KRG have drastically changed after the august 2014 setbacks regarding party units) the reforms will eventually be forced through. This time they seem to be serious about reforms as well. RIP, our two fallen heroes 
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| The army is the true nobility of a nation Never plan on the thoughts of others, but on their capabilities One indivisible and sovereign Kurdish nation for all Kurds! Chase all al nusra and Daash terrorists out of Kurdistan!! Her biji YPG u Peshmerga! |
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| Alendsh | 12th March 2016 - 09:25 AM Post #11518 |
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We lost too many heros against ISIS animals  , RIP |
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| ALAN | 12th March 2016 - 10:12 AM Post #11519 |
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 12th March 2016 - 05:16 PM Post #11520 |
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The Lieutenant General Jabar Yawar: “Peshmerga is ready for Mosul liberation, Iraqi Government is not” In an interview with Anadolu agency, the Secretary General the Lieutenant General Jabar Yawar shed on the light on the military situation in the area, in particular the operation of liberating Mosul and preparation and the Peshmerga forces’ agreement with the Iraqi Federal Government. The Lt. Gen. Jabar Yawar talked about the quality of the Peshmerga armament by the US, he also said “The US has a plan to arm two brigades of the Peshmerga forces, in addition to training them and training the Peshmerga forces to how use the military gears like the transportation supplies, vehicles, ambulances and all those gears which are necessary for a brigade will be prepared by the US, those apparatus are being currently transferred to Hewlêr and for now two regiments of these two brigades are under training.” The Ltd. Gen. Jabar Yawar also said during his interview with Anadol agency “on March 8, Training of Peshmerga has been started by the US, which is called skill training, but this training has nothing to do with the process of liberating Mosul, whatever is being published about the preparation of these two brigades in liberating Mosul is far away from reality.” The Ltd. Gen Jabar Yawar also explained accordingly that these two brigades are the infantry brigades 1 and 2 of Kirkuk, which one is located in the axis 4 and the other is in the axis 5 in northwest of the city, they have their duties and have nothing to the process of liberating Mosul. In another question on the allegations about promises to arm the different ethnicities by the US and settling them in their own areas in future, the Ltd. Gen. Jabar Yawar showed his unawareness about that matter and said “We as the Ministry of Peshmerga are not aware of that issue, The Kurdistan Region’s president The acting president Barzani presented a writing to The Ministry of Peshmerga on time to train those who were soldiers in the Iraqi army from Yezidis, Shabaks, Turkmens and Christians, There are two Yezidi regiments, a Kakayi regiment, and some Turkmens and Christians.” In another section of the interview, the Ltd. Gen. Jabar Yawar announced “we as the Kurdistan Peshmerga forces have been ready since 2015, and the commander-in-chief of the Kurdistan Region armed forces The acting president Barzani has confirmed several times that we can prepare all of our forces within two days for the process of Mosul liberation, because our forces are only 30 km away from north, south and central Mosul. Furthermore, most of the Kurdish areas outside of Mosul are under Peshmerga forces’ control such as Shangal[SInjar], Zumar, and also the areas near Bashik , Dibaga, Gwer, the areas by Khadhr. The Secretary General the lieutenant General Jabar Yawar also referred to the primary preparation of the process and said “What has been done by the Iraqi Government so far is the opening of the command headquarter of the forces of liberating Mosul and a cooperating center between the Iraqi Central Government with the US-led coalition allies and the Kurdistan Region. Additionally, the process of transferring the regiment 15 of the Iraqi army to Makhmour has been started during this span, this process will continue, it has not yet ended up in preparation and transferring those forces to those areas.” The Ltd. Gen. Jabar Yawar also revealed in the interview “one of the reasons why Iraqi Government is not ready is the unavailability of a pedestrian route, which this must be opened for those civilians who have stayed in south of Mosul to be able to get out of Mosul, in particular the areas of Heet, Fallujah, Ryadh, Hawija, Shargat Gayara and some other areas that is why the Iraqi Government is not ready for that process.” The Ltd. Gen. Jabar Yawar Manda also stated regarding the forces that are supposed to take part in the process of liberating Mosul “No planes have been derived on how to be participated in the liberation of Mosul”, he presumes that the sides consist of the Peshmerga forces, the Iraqi military forces and the US-led coalition warplanes. http://witebej.com/En/News.aspx?id=12368&MapID=35#.VuPB6Zx97mg |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 12th March 2016 - 05:18 PM Post #11521 |
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15 ISIS militants killed in Nawaran Witebej The Pehsmerga forces shelled the ISIS in the boarder of Nawaran, at least 15 ISIS militants were killed in the shelling. According to the remark of the military commander within the Peshmerga forces in Nawaran, 9 March, the Peshmerga forces shelled the ISIS intensively in the villages of Khursabad, Baibukht, Shallalat, and Omar Ghamchi, thereby at least 15 ISIS militants were killed and several wounded. In addition, an ISIS hideout was razed down in Shallalat and some vehicles were defeated.” http://witebej.com/En/News.aspx?id=12351&MapID=29 |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 12th March 2016 - 05:18 PM Post #11522 |
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A terroristic plot thwarted en route Slemani-Kirkuk Witebej Yesterday evening, 9 March, the counter-terror forces and The Slemani security forces (Asaish) repelled a terroristic plan. The commander of the counter-terror forces Polat Sheik Jangi announced “after conducting a military operation which was carried out in the village of Bashir in Taza sub-district at dawn, March 3, the counter-terror forces were received news that the terrorists have a vehicle laden with explosives with themselves, thus the counter-terror force changed their direction at the time of their return and warned the Slemani Security teams for diffusing bombs. In the meantime, the Security General Director in Slemani the Major General Hassan indicated that the terrorists were supposed to bring the vehicle in Slemani, which consisted of 500 kg TNT, we hindered them at near Kirkuk checkpoint and two people have been arrested in the car, two employees within the Security forces were martyred at the time of diffusing the bombs.” http://witebej.com/En/News.aspx?id=12349&MapID=29 |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 12th March 2016 - 05:20 PM Post #11523 |
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The Ministry Of Peshmerga Holds Weekly Meeting With The US-Led Coalition Witebej Monday, March 7, with the supervision of the acting minister of Peshmerga Karim Sinjari, the deputy of the Ministry of Peshmerga Anwar Haji Osman, the Secretary General of the Peshmerga Ministry the Lieutenant General Jabar Yawar and the chief of staff Lieutenant General Jamal Muhammad alongside and numerous senior officers and consultants of the US-led coalition, the weekly meeting of the US-led coalition against the ISIS was held. Karim Sinjari sent his and Peshmerga’s condolence to the martyr’s family and the Canadian populace on anniversary of passing one year on martyring Andro Joseph, he also stated that “Martyring of that Canadian soldier in the Kurdistan Region proves that we are at one countering front against the terrorists.” During the meeting, The Joint Operation Room referred to the outlines of the ground and aerial raids in all of the of axes of countering terrorism, it was discussed in the report that the refugees are returning to their own areas and more than 3 thousand refugees have come back to their authentic areas after restoring more calmness to the liberated territories. In another section of the convention, all of the departments within the Ministry of Peshmerga presented their reports, which consisted of more caring on the military trainings and the demands on the military requirements regarding weapons and ammunition for the Peshmerga forces, more notably, the gears of Chemical Weapon Protection. At the end of the meeting, The US-led coalition cooperation and support to the Peshmerga forces were emphasized. http://witebej.com/En/News.aspx?id=12282&MapID=29 |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 12th March 2016 - 05:25 PM Post #11524 |
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http://rudaw.net/Embed.aspx?ID=87178 http://rudaw.net/Embed.aspx?ID=87088 With Eng captions http://rudaw.net/Embed.aspx?ID=87207 |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| FulcrumKAF | 12th March 2016 - 07:55 PM Post #11525 |
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Interesting information  Thanks for the updates! |
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