Worldwar2boy

7th January 2014 - 07:49 PM

Don't look at jets or tanks they purchase.
Peshmerga might not have those weapons, but they have anti-weapons.
They can easily destroy any of those jets and/or tanks and I am sure they have a large arsenal of anti-aircraft & tank missiles.

Peshmerga is mainly defensive (and counter attacks).

Iraq is nothing even if they have 200 jets and 500 of the most modern tanks, they're still Arabs at the end of the day. They'll probably flee their posts as soon as they see Peshmerga approaching, just like they did in Kerkûk 1 year ago.

kurdekan

9th January 2014 - 06:43 AM

@ FulcrumKAF
You mention asaysh and anti -terrorist units but they are well educated and have better weapons is because the they are paid and trained by the Iraqi central government because they are the Iraqi government subordinate.
Peshmerga is not subordinate to the Iraqi government .
Apart from that we can not asaysh and anti -terrorist units for military purposes inserts.
The asaysh the task has roads struggle to lead with militant groups and terrorists (small groups).
Peshmerga should be able as an army hold against other Armees position wars Perform like a real army .
Many of us say early was very less peshmerga s and have Saddas army repulsed now there is 100000-400000 Peshmerga .
But the Modern war is not done with brave soldiers , it will be fought and won by modern weapons.
We can no longer guerrilla tactics , the use of early works well as the peshmerga have been divided into small groups and not so many were .
Today we can not divide 400 000 men in groups and hide in mountains.
It happens to be fact with today's equipment and weapons we can not win a war.
We know that we have the remains of Saddam , and we know that Saddam looked pathetic against USA .
With what 's left of Saddam's army , we should be able with an army like Turkey or Iran has over 2000 F16 of an arsenal of long-range missiles has can destroy the Kurdish every city and village record ?
What use us 300 000 Strong Peshmerga when they see them without the 100 km distance times , listening can be destroyed?
By the way Maliki has now also those rockets from USA getting that can attack any target from a distance .
We must act and think differently

FulcrumKAF

 

KRG, on the other hand, see no imminent military threat from anyone. They are not forced to spend or reform Peshmerga for their own survival, like Iraqi government was with Iraqi army.

Şevreşk

9th January 2014 - 10:16 AM

FulcrumKAF, how would you compare the tactical skill and ability of the Peshmerga's infantry units compared to those of the Iraqi Army? As far as I'm aware, Arab armies have a very poor record of infantry performance in modern wars, typically with many more casualties suffered than inflicted. But since Iraqi forces have received the same American training as the Peshmerga has, shouldn't we assume that their tactical skill is now roughly on the Peshmergas' level?

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FulcrumKAF

 

KRG, on the other hand, see no imminent military threat from anyone. They are not forced to spend or reform Peshmerga for their own survival, like Iraqi government was with Iraqi army.

Barzani has repeatedly 'threatened' to declare independence in response to some of Baghdad's policies and actions, so I very much doubt that the Peshmerga doesn't identify the Iraqi Army as a threat. They probably have a sound defense strategy in place for dealing with a hypothetical Iraqi attack, though as you've pointed out we aren't seeing any of the much needed developments.

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South Kurdistan do have the natural resources it needs to become independent. In fact, we could become independent in 2014 if needed.

However, that is not recommended. First of all, we must secure Kerkûk and other disputed areas legally. At the moment they are not officially part of Kurdistan, and therefore if we declare independence it would (by definition) be an aggression against Iraq. This would allow Iraq to declare war against us with the whole worlds backing (and to be honest, they are way more ready for a conventional war than KRG is at the moment. In 2012 we had the advantage of shorter logistical lines and they had no air force to destroy it+ they were busy with the Sunni uprising. By mid-2014 this will have completely changed. KRG also do not have a secure logistical supplier of military equipment and ammo at the moment in case of war against Iraq).
Not only would the world back Iraq, they would also not recognize Kurdistan (we would become another Transnistria with natural resources). Why do you guys think KRG is working so actively to get the world to recognize the Anfal genocide?

This brings me to the other factor; dependency.
We would actually become less independent if we declared independence at the moment. While we are (officially) part of Iraq we have many more options (and now that we have our own pipeline, we ARE independent in everything but name). If we declare independence (with disputed areas AND win a possible war), a complete boycott from Iraq will be inevitable. Syria is out of question for obvious reasons. Iran is a kind of up-down state; there could be a possibility of trade there, but we would have pressure from the west and co to not do so. And that would be IF Iran is willing to trade with us after independence. And that does not take into account that a possible uprising could happen in Iran (by the "local" population), which would leave our economy reduced to half its size (if not devastated).
This leaves utter dependency on Turkey for our exports and, as a matter of fact, the economy.

Also, we must remember that we are NOT self-sufficient and don't even have another real source of income other than oil (except the tourism industry, which is not large enough. It generates 1-2 billion annually). We would become dependent on oil prices internationally. Thats why KRG is trying to build infrastructure to boost the size of other industries; to not be dependent on Oil.

Kurdistan would be smart to declare independence in a more stable middle east (where Syria could be an option for export; Or even better would be Rojava. If Rojava is able to reach the sea, then the road to independence would lose 99% of its mines) and when we have a more diverse economy.

Rojava would by far be the best option for export if it reaches the sea. It would be economically, socially and politically better. AND it would not be at the expense of our Rojhelati or Bakuri brothers. Staying part of Iraq for now is the best option. If we declare independence too soon, we might lose everything we have worked to gain in the last decades. On the other hand tho, Independence might be FORCED on us (by looking at the new budget plan). Thats why I always stress the importance of Rojava reaching the sea. That would be the key to real independence!

kurdekan

11th January 2014 - 04:45 AM

I also think it is too early for the declaration of independence of Kurdistan but that's it, back to lead the preparations are very poorly or not at all well planned or wanted. one of the main points is indeed the ill-equipped Peshmarge forces.
Even though I am in the opinion of other ways than you because I say if terrorists are able to come to more modern weapons than our peshmergas although Kurdistan airports and much more money has to be available .
I am if we want we can get any kind of heavy weapons.
With money, you get everything , even if the planes are declared as transport or freight flights .
Israel, USA, China , Russia, we get much out without the neighbors notice the only problem is it seems that the Kurdish government to not be interested .
But even if we say ok that's not why they can not give the peshmergas better salaries or their clothes make the uniform does not even come from abroad or make their vehicles available to provide for collective Peshmarge build for you to be driven to the barracks.
These are all things that our peshmergas builds morale and for that we need no one .
Iraq has built up a better army than us but we have not managed from two existing Military organ to make a proper army , we still have a PDK and PUK army ...
I think that's PDK and PUK wanted because a reform and better facilities our Peshmerga is not as severe as the they tell us not.

FulcrumKAF

11th January 2014 - 06:25 AM

And soon they will have the ability to stop any plane flying over its airspace.

Şirnex

12th January 2014 - 12:46 PM

FulcrumKAF

11th January 2014 - 06:25 AM

And soon they will have the ability to stop any plane flying over its airspace.

thats very bad. what did Peshmerga and KRG to ensure national security. which measuries have been taken?