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| Would kurds win a war with turkey? | |
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| Topic Started: 16th December 2013 - 10:49 PM (17,817 Views) | |
| purearch72 | 17th December 2013 - 01:48 PM Post #26 |
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Depends in technology when Iran regime just came into power there was revolution in rojhalet and it was under full control of kdpi and komala, they would still be in control today if it wasn't for PUK. Actually even kdp when they were in Iran was helping them attack kdpi. Just goes to show if you want to survive as a party you have to backstab Kurds. Kdp was forced to because they were stationed in Iran, but PUK was in suliymania at the time, anyways don't like to live in the past but if there's a point where kdpi can backstab PUK I would encourage it they are jashes ( the older generation of PUK)
Edited by purearch72, 17th December 2013 - 01:56 PM.
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| Azamat | 18th December 2013 - 12:45 AM Post #27 |
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Since military service is mandatory in Turkey and many Kurds will undoubtedly be serving in the Turanic military, wouldn't it be possible to organize a mass desertion and form all-Kurdish units out of these former servicemen? Granted, they won't be very well-trained and many shootouts at army bases might occur, but if such an operation is planned rigorously it might work. The main obstacle is how to locate ethnically Kurdish soldiers and persuade them to change sides. We would need a vast network of spies to pull that off.
Edited by Azamat, 18th December 2013 - 03:45 AM.
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| Ali Alqosh | 18th December 2013 - 07:30 AM Post #28 |
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Am I yhe only one that thinks we don't need an all out war? I mean do you guys remember Egypt? If everyone fought(I don't mean with guns) and protested on the streets in kurdish cities like Amed and took over policestations and millitary barracks like they did in lice a back in the summer. If this starts in one city the same thing will start in another one and so on. However it need to be organiszed with a smart leader who isn't jailed (no offense to you apocis but I think it's sick that a jailed man is the leader of this struggle) and if th kêrdogan regime starts firing at the protestors the international community will respond! We don't need pkk to win, although it is an advantage we have! If pkk waged an all out war at the same time I'm pretty sure we would win! Also like earlier mentioned in this topic execute the turkish leaders (pm, president parliament members or blow it up when the dickheads are all gathered)The turkish regime, to control the kurds they would order their soldiefs to leave strategical unimportant villages and small cities. Which then the locals can take up arms provided by a small number of pkk members, who also are ordered to stay there and keep things in control! Or se simply hire terrorists to turn turkey inte a mess (western turkey) Anyone agrees?
Edited by Ali Alqosh, 18th December 2013 - 07:33 AM.
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| Alasha | 18th December 2013 - 07:45 AM Post #29 |
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PKK should not get in to the war directly as we might get NATO against us. But the civilian can do it, then with PKK infiltrating over time. |
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Jet fuel can't melt steel beams "If Turkey allows itself interfere in the matter of Kerkûk because of a few thousand Turkmen, we will do the same with regard to Diyarbakir (Amed) and other Kurdistani cities in Turkey because of 30 million Kurds." - President Masoud Barzanî |
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| Zagros | 18th December 2013 - 07:47 AM Post #30 |
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I agree, very good idea.  I hope you will lead this revolution cca. 5 years later. Serok Gundi: its sounds good.
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| Ali Alqosh | 18th December 2013 - 07:55 AM Post #31 |
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Thank you sister! (You are a girl right?) There is something with me that makes every relative, kurd and turk my family knows that makes them think I will achieve tremendous things! Even my teacher when I was 7-9 years old once told my father I would become something big! I hope I live up to their expectasions! In Amed a man I hardly knew kissed my hand and called me agha! Just something I wanted to say! 
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| purearch72 | 18th December 2013 - 07:58 AM Post #32 |
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Guys this is your new serok apo. I'm going to call you apo from now on. |
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| Ali Alqosh | 18th December 2013 - 08:08 AM Post #33 |
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Thank you but I'd prefer Dr.Gundî! 
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| Zagros | 18th December 2013 - 08:09 AM Post #34 |
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Yes, I'm a woman dear Gundi. |
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| Ali Alqosh | 18th December 2013 - 08:10 AM Post #35 |
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Oh okey! I thought you were 19 or something!
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| Ali Alqosh | 19th December 2013 - 02:06 AM Post #36 |
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Anyone else with an idea on how we could take down Turkey?
Edited by Ali Alqosh, 19th December 2013 - 02:39 AM.
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| Ali Alqosh | 19th December 2013 - 03:58 AM Post #37 |
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I was thinking about this the other day and I managed to figure out that we already could have a kurdish a autonomy today, with some luck of course! Remember the gezi park protestors, in Turkey? BDP didn't support this, they were against the protestors who were TURKS! There was this old man, a member within BDP openly showed his support towards the turkish protestors. One could wonder what happend? BDP punished him. If the kurds would have supported it and walked and protested on their streets and cities like amed, çolêmerg and Rîha etc of course with having leaders, celebrities and well respected and known kurds at all encouraging it, like "apo", barzani, karayilan, Siwan perwer and Ibrahim tatlises. Although tatlises need to grow some balls and start by admiting that he is a kurd... Also BDP should have supported it. PKK aswel of course. If this were to be the scenario we could have had controll on some parts of Bakûr, and in some 8 months even more control and en up like SK. Maybe now you apocis understand why some Kurds don't like "apo" and his ways of "fighting for the kurds". Also another reason why BDP get so little support!? Bijî Kurd û Kurdistan!
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| Qandil | 19th December 2013 - 05:11 AM Post #38 |
 
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So we should have supported the fascist Grey Wolves in the Gezi protesters, whos relatives probably have Kurdish blood on their hands. You do realize, that the Gezi protesters were not democratic Turks, but fascist Turks??? Why should we protest with the fascists, who wave the blood filled flag and Atagay? And Kurds were protesting in Kurdish cities for a week or two, but it led to nothing. I recall posting pictures of these. Look around in the Middle East section, I think. When it comes to politics, please don't even mention Siwan and Ibrahim. BDP in the beginning did support the protests at first, since it was basically all what BDP had hoped for: Turks protesting against AKP. But the fascists took over. And then, BDP realized that they should end the support for the Gezi protesters.
Edited by Qandil, 19th December 2013 - 05:13 AM.
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| "Kurdino! Bibin yek; eger hûn nebin yek, hûn ê herin yek bi yek." - Cigerxwîn. | |
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| Fire | 19th December 2013 - 05:49 AM Post #39 |
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Your whole argument is simply not reflecting the reality. First of all APO wasn't against participation in this demonstration. Let me remind you that at some point BDP took part in this demonstration. But at the same time APO and BDP were aware of the fact that the Turkish fascists could take over this demonstration. And exactly this had happened. Turks with Gayturk flags and Bozkurt symbols started to lead this demonstration. Fascists who were always applauding for their police when Kurds got killed and attacked. Turks who want to see Kurdish blood and who are against any rights for Kurds. So do you want Kurds to take part in demonstrations with these critters? And about your other point I can only laugh. So if we had supported Gezi more we would have more control over NK now? What planet are you on? |
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| Ali Alqosh | 19th December 2013 - 06:19 AM Post #40 |
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You missunderstood me. I know that the fascists took over. I meant that BDP should have went all in from the beginning trying to make it as big as possible and helping and supporting the protestors. And with a little luck yes one thing could have lead to another
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| Ali Alqosh | 19th December 2013 - 06:40 AM Post #41 |
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First of all I never said that apo was against it. Second of all "BDP did support this" that was not enough of support. Third of all, yes I'd prefer protesting with braindamaged-uneducated fools who have no power then making fake deals with Kêrdogan like apo does. Yes I think if the kurdish community (including PKK, BDP, APO etc) supported this all out from the beginning, those fake turko-murco shits never would have taken over. But no worries heval, go ahead laugh. No one thought Guevara would succed. People also laughed at Mandela. But let us not start fighting over this! It belongs to history now. Let us look forward with hope. As my last point, these were my ideas and thoughts, tell me how YOU would do it? Bijî Kurd û Kurdistan! |
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| Fire | 19th December 2013 - 06:55 AM Post #42 |
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How I would have done it? Like BDP. BDP made the right choice by not taking part too much. If BDP had stayed there ,clashes with the fascists would have been unavoidable and the Gezi demonstration would have not even lasted a day. And Erdogan would have been as strong as ever if Kurds and turkish fascists had fought there and weaken each other. But BDP kept cool and let the fascists Kemalists fought against the fascist Police. Was brillant to watch btw. |
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| Ali Alqosh | 19th December 2013 - 06:57 AM Post #43 |
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That I couldn't agree more upon!
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| Serhildan | 20th December 2013 - 01:00 AM Post #44 |
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Nothing is impossible. I believe that if all kurds would stick together, we could achieve anything. We're our biggest enemies. We are a strong Folk and our fighters have no fear of death It'als all in the Sake and how well we are organized. Our Parties & Leaders must finally agree. .. |
 "We obtain either together our freedom or we feel stuck together" Serok Apo |
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| Serhildan | 21st December 2013 - 07:14 AM Post #45 |
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"The AKP would like to prevent that the Kurds profit in this phase. So, they have broken off the dialogues and have led military and political operations against Kurds. In the north they tries to weaken the liberation movement of the Kurds by the arrest waves. At the same time Medya defensive areas of the guerrilla warfares are bombed. They try to get the politics of Southkurdistan under control. With it Kurds also in Westkurdistan to her rights do not come they interfere with the development of Syria. These must be all Kurds in the clear that the AKP are in this phase during the attack against Kurds. The aim and strategy of Turkey is received to weaken the Kurds in this phase, with it them no place in the phase of the reorganisation of the Middle East. What must we do Kurds against it? As the first we must know our enemies properly. There are still some Kurds who put hopes in the AKP government. A decision has met the AKP and wants to prevent that the Kurds get a status. They do not see the Kurd question as a national problem. They say themselves which what the Kemalists have not created, we will create, while they abuse Islam, their weapons, her political and economic forces against us are of use. The Kurdish people are suppressed, our women are attacked, our children are raped. They have up to now more than 7. 000 Kurdish municipal politicians and members of Kurdish NGOs arrests. These are all innocent people who have never reached to the weapon and make on democratic way politics. These are journalists, lawyers, human rights activists, mayors, students. War has explained the AKP against Kurds, this must be aware to all Kurds. It is necessary that Kurds show a national position against these attacks. We will defend ourselves against these attacks and offer resistance. We will strengthen our organizational, political, social fight even further. Against her military attacks we will give the necessary answer also militarily. It is the time for opposition. Against the suppression and fascism of the AKP government we have to perform no other choice as an opposition. If we offer resistance against her attacks and knock down them, Turkey would be made again lead dialogues with us. We want to solve the Kurd question with dialogues, by peaceful means. Turkey has broken off the dialogues and has declared to us the war. We must show them that the liberation movement of the Kurds is not militarily to be defeated." Murat Karayilan Supreme Comander of the HPG (Military Arm of the PKK)
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"We obtain either together our freedom or we feel stuck together" Serok Apo |
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| Worldwar2boy | 21st December 2013 - 10:16 AM Post #46 |
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Leyanden, biyan kujen, amro roji himeta !!! (Beat them up, kill them, this is the day of honor !!!) This quote is from a popular Kurdish feature film (Gerdi Piroz) Watch from 05:00 :
Edited by Worldwar2boy, 21st December 2013 - 10:25 AM.
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| Jim M | 22nd December 2014 - 08:37 PM Post #47 |
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I think a war with Turkey can be won but it would take years of arms buildup and you would never even come close to parity as they have the second largest military in NATO. But numbers aren't the most important thing. What would be needed is a strategy and the only way you could come up with that would be to hire a retired Israeli general. Those guys spend all their time thinking up scenarios with their enemies (Turkey being the biggest) and when they retire they have nothing to do but write books. I'm sure one or two of them would jump at the chance to help Kurdistan build a strategy and put all that knowledge to use. Of course all of the above presupposes the fact that the Kurds would become united.
Edited by Jim M, 1st January 2015 - 08:59 AM.
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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