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| Would kurds win a war with turkey? | |
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| Topic Started: 16th December 2013 - 10:49 PM (17,818 Views) | |
| lashgare | 16th December 2013 - 10:49 PM Post #1 |
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I've been studying this intensely for a time looking at asymmetric conflicts. And I'm certain that kurdistan would win. What do you guys think? How would such a hypothetical war play out? I'll write more in detail later today. |
 
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| Azamat | 16th December 2013 - 10:51 PM Post #2 |
 
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We would probably win in the same way that Vietnam "won" against the US: by means of a political victory moreso than a military one. The kill-death ratio would unfortunately be in the Turks' favor but the war will have to be sustained for so long that both Turkish civil society and the military would not be able to cope and would break down eventually. Of course we would need to resort to terrorism besides direct military confrontations, which is unfortunate but absolutely necessary. Blow up their steel mills, blow up their oil refineries, their engineering offices, sink their cargo ships, etcetera. Civilians are a collateral damage.
Edited by Azamat, 16th December 2013 - 10:55 PM.
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| the SUN child | 16th December 2013 - 11:09 PM Post #3 |
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It's not about the quantity, but it's all about the quality of soldiers. And Kurdish soldiers are not only just soldiers, but thy're warriors. And the war will be different to the Vietnam war. Why? Because Turkye lies next to Kurdistan. In Turkye live millions of Kurds. So the war will be extended also on Turkish territory / soil. Kurdish race is 'ready' for war any time. Turkish race and Turkic modern society is not ready for war at all. We will send more Taranic Turkish monkeys to hell than the will kill Kurds.
Edited by the SUN child, 16th December 2013 - 11:11 PM.
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| the SUN child | 16th December 2013 - 11:12 PM Post #4 |
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And always remember that as an aggressor / occupier it’s impossible to conquer a mountainous area! Even nukes won't help |
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| the SUN child | 16th December 2013 - 11:19 PM Post #5 |
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War is a mind game. You will win a war on moral. And nobody can defeat the mountains through a psychological mind game. |
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| Mashgal Ali Entertainment | 16th December 2013 - 11:39 PM Post #6 |
 
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they could break us without using any military power ! Just by closing airspace and borders If Iraq, Iran and Syria will do the same ! In just a short time, they will break us , because the resuply of food and weapons will be over ! But on the other side, we will friggin break their nazi heads ! |
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| the SUN child | 16th December 2013 - 11:44 PM Post #7 |
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Kurds never used airspace and we don't need any airspace, because we live on our soil and we are the defenders. Strategy of defenders is different to a strategy of attackers. Also the fake borders are inside Kurdistan. So those borders are artificial. All we have to do is to kill the border guards and there will be no fake borders at all. On ALL sides of the so called borders Kurds are the MAJORITY! There is plenty food for our warriors in the mountains...
Edited by the SUN child, 16th December 2013 - 11:47 PM.
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| jjmuneer | 16th December 2013 - 11:50 PM Post #8 |
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They would crush us, but we would fight till the last Kurd if such an unlikely incident arose. |
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| RawandKurdistani | 17th December 2013 - 12:02 AM Post #9 |
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Depends on what kind of war. Surely we would win a civil war within Turkey, we would probably lose a full war with Kurds coming from outside of the fake borders. |
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) |
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| Worldwar2boy | 17th December 2013 - 12:03 AM Post #10 |
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Kurdistan is perfectly able to survive on its won. Turkey doesn't have the resources to keep their war machine going on, while Kurdistan has vasts amounts of natural resources. And it would be a guerilla war, not open warfare. Kill death ratio would be in our favor, at least 2 Turks would be killed for every single Peshmerga (if not more). Why? Simply because the Turks are unfamiliar with Kurdistan and they are not warriors. We would easily crush them. It would take time and a lot of effort, but the Turks are not even able to defeat the PKK which consists of several thousand fighters only, let alone a Kurdish armed force of over 1 million. We would easily annihilate the Turks. |
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| Worldwar2boy | 17th December 2013 - 12:06 AM Post #11 |
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Just look at the kill/death ratio from other Kurdish wars. Most recent want in Rojava: 15-18 terrorists killed for every fallen YPG fighter During First Kurdish-Iraqi War: 90,000 Iraqi Arab soldiers killed, less than 15,000 Kurdish Peshmerga killed Between 1980-1988: over 120,000 Iraqi Arab soldiers killed, Ba'athist resorted to Genocide. Kill/death ratio I don't know, but from battle reports & witness reports, probably 120,000-20-30K |
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| the SUN child | 17th December 2013 - 12:14 AM Post #12 |
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A huge Turanic Turkish monkey army can’t even handle a few thousands of our warriors in Qandil. If that few thousands become 500,000 we will crush any army in the world! |
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| the SUN child | 17th December 2013 - 12:22 AM Post #13 |
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Also Turanic Turkish monkey cities will BURN, like in hell. Turanic Turkish monkeys in their cities won't believe in what kind of situation they will find themselves on. Our warriors will disrupt all civilian life in Turkye. We will destroy their financial sector, industry, their infrastructure, everything. We will send them back to the stone age!
Edited by the SUN child, 17th December 2013 - 12:23 AM.
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| jjmuneer | 17th December 2013 - 12:37 AM Post #14 |
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Turkey has the largest military in the entire middle-east. |
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| the SUN child | 17th December 2013 - 12:39 AM Post #15 |
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So what? USA is a superpower and lost in Afghanistan. Russia is a superpower and lost in Afghanistan. And Washington and Moscow are far away from Afghanistan. Saddam Hussein had a bigger army that Turkye. And where is his army now?   Arabs and Turks can't fight, period!
Edited by the SUN child, 17th December 2013 - 12:41 AM.
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| jjmuneer | 17th December 2013 - 12:43 AM Post #16 |
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But the USA did not engage in total war in Afghanistan, their war was specifically against the Taliban and Al-qaeda. Whilst Turkey would engage in total war against us, and would systmatically demolish the Kurdish population city to city. |
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| the SUN child | 17th December 2013 - 12:52 AM Post #17 |
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No, the USA is only fighting again a small percentage of Afghan people and they lost that war. What if they would engage the war against the whole Afghan population. Afghan people would destroy every American living being in Central Asia. Kurd have no modern cities. We have the mountains. It's impossible for an army to enter high snowy mountains and fight a regular war. Tanks are useless in the mountains, most of their equipment will be useless on snowy mountain tops. It will be a guerrilla warfare. We Kurds will shoot every Turanic Turk monkey down from our beloved mountains. We Kurds have a total network structure of caves, tunnels, secret small passages etc. in our mountains. Turks will be lost in our mountains big time. We will ambush & annihilate all of them, one by one.
Edited by the SUN child, 17th December 2013 - 01:47 AM.
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| Mashgal Ali Entertainment | 17th December 2013 - 03:02 AM Post #18 |
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If South Kurdistan would be in war with al 4 enemies, i think PKK will make use of it's political powers than(They will work with Turkey of Iraq of Iran) just like South Is doing against PKK right now (Some Kurds Always join the enemy ! ) but when i say enemy, that means Enemy for PKK (Is Turkey) Is now a ''Partner'' Of KRG ! Don't understand me wrong , it's just the political bullshit |
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| the SUN child | 17th December 2013 - 03:15 AM Post #19 |
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I was not talking about Southern Kurdistan, but I was talking about Kurds and Great Kurdistan in general. United we’re able to defeat any world superpower in the world. Only if we're united there will be Kurdistan. There will be NEVER independent and free Kurdistan if Kurds are separated. There will be never independent Southern Kurdistan if Barzani continue his hostile behavior toward PKK, period. KRG will become part of Tukye! Barzani seems not to understand that the only road toward independent Southern Kurdistan is through Northern Kurdistan, otherwise there will be never independent Kurdistan in the south. But Kurdish politicians in the south are not really smart or are not very well educated on this issue, I guess. I put all my hopes now on Rojava and North Kurdistan, because North Kurdistan is much bigger with much higher population!
Edited by the SUN child, 17th December 2013 - 03:20 AM.
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| lashgare | 17th December 2013 - 03:45 AM Post #20 |
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I've been researching this for quite a while. There are few things that we have to identify. What would turkeys interests be? What is the nature of their regime(their character)? What is their Arms diffusion rating? What would likely be there strategic interaction(approach). Equally you have to ask about kurdish movements and possible actors these questions: What is their arms diffusion rating? What are their interests? Do they have external logistical support? How are kurdish movements/entities organized? How long can this conflict be protracted? Those are all analytical factors involved in determining the probability of victory in turko-kurdish war. And it looks like things are in kurds favor... approximitely 51.2% of all major conflicts between 1950-1999 have been won by weaker-actors, and 56% out of 16 conflicts where the weaker actor has employed an ideal opposite strategy to their strong actor opponent.
Edited by lashgare, 17th December 2013 - 04:03 AM.
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| chivaz serko | 17th December 2013 - 03:57 AM Post #21 |
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depends on how much of turkey's 23 million kurds support the Kurdish effort, but way more kurds will die than turks, cuz the turks will also kill civilains, but the kurds don't (except for Kurdish journalists in sk) also turkey will fully supported by the US, and all the fighting will be in the Kurdish regions of turkey |
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| Worldwar2boy | 17th December 2013 - 06:01 AM Post #22 |
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We were talking about KD ratio between Turkish soldiers- Kurdish peshmerga If Turkey starts killing civilians on purpose, we will just do the same but 100 times worse. And the Kurds in Europe wll start killing Turanic monkeys as well, we will go out and kill every god damn Turk we encounter, Europe will be the second war front, Turks all running away scared and cryng because there is no Turkish fascist army that protects them. Would be wonderful. |
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| Fire | 17th December 2013 - 06:35 AM Post #23 |
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Well, a civil war isn't an impossible thing. In 1999, after Apos capture the civil war was about to begin but was stopped in sufficient time. Our advantage is that Kurdish civilians are far more experienced in fighting than the filthy Turks. Turks don't know what war is because they have never suffered under the war because it always took place in NK. So, when it comes to a civil war, street fight with man vs man, more Turks will be annihilated than our martyrs will die. The problem indeed will be that Turkish air planes will simpy bomb Kurdish cities and kill hundred thousandth of Kurds. We can't prevent that. Unfortunately. On the other side, we have many Kurds in the West,so we can simply bomb Turkish cities to hell and send many Turks to hell. We could destroy the whole economy of this friggin pariah state. Iraq and current Syria would be nothing in comparison to that. So we definitely have our ways to kill many Turks and to destroy this State as much as possible. This friggin State who dispelled me from NK would never arise. Never. That would be satisfying. However. True, atm civil war seems to be far away. But believe me. It's not impossible because one thing for sure. Filthy Turks will never accept Kurdish freedom voluntary. And let me tell you. If there will be a civil war in NK it will automatically affect Europe of course, especially Germany as most Turks and Kurds live here. Anywhere in Europe there will be a huge tension though. Sometimes I believe, the fate wants this civil war and if we want freedom, there is no other way because subhumans (Turks) don't understand human language.
Edited by Fire, 17th December 2013 - 06:37 AM.
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| chivaz serko | 17th December 2013 - 12:35 PM Post #24 |
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every turk/kurd in turkey had military service, but kurds are generally like that, they have never killed enemy civilians and never will its just in theyre blood. over all Kurdish losses of people and cities will be way more, but Ankara's economy will collapse if fighting reaches western turkey |
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| Worldwar2boy | 17th December 2013 - 01:18 PM Post #25 |
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the trick is to start the war outside of Kurdistan, immediately launch a war inside the Turkish cities there should be no action whatsoever in kurdistan so if turkey attacks kurdistan, international community will respond and ask why they disrupt the peace in a region where there is no activity  there should be saboteurs, malfunction the airplanes from and to turkey so that they explode when they reach an altitude, no tourists will come to turkey ever again - economy collapses and blow up the skyscrapers in istanbul and ankara and assassinate all political leaders, from lawmakers to prime minister in every damn turkish shithole everyone will be afraid to enter politics and their foreign relations will collapse as well and then sabotage their navy, why? because we can
Edited by Worldwar2boy, 17th December 2013 - 01:21 PM.
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