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| Topic Started: 30th November 2013 - 02:17 AM (8,053 Views) | |
| lashgare | 30th November 2013 - 02:17 AM Post #1 |
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Certainly.. with the volatile nature of our region, we'll face military threats and probably even military invasions who will battle to wrest control from kurdish forces over Southern-kurdistan. I've been reading about military tactics and strategies for the past few days. I've come to slowly recognize what kind of military strategies turkey would most likely use in a war against KRG. This confrontation is likely unavoidable considering kurdish-turkish relations and history. Turkish primary interests have been to limit and eliminate any influence of kurdish nationalism in it's kurdish populated territories. With recent secession of control of territories by states to kurdish groups, turkey has feelt increasingly threatend that this will cause another insurrection and separatism in kurdistan that is under its control. Similar to what happened in northern kurdistan during the 90s. Since peshmerga forces are not coventional in nature, and not trained in the same manner as state troops of Iraq, and don't have near the same heavy weaponry. They will not be able to have a sustained fight with turkish forces, nor will they be able to confront the tools used by the nato equipped turkish forces. However unlike their campaign in northern kurdistan against the PKK, South-kurdistan enjoys considerable strategic advantage. The fact that South-kurdistan is outside of turkish domestic political sphere and has enjoyed de-facto autonomy and official autonomy for good more than a decade. Hence the conditions of political disunity and ambigiuity that characterized kurdish population in northern kurdistan which enabled turkish effective usage COINS tactics do not exist in southern kurdistan. So the COINS strategies (counterinsurgency) used against PKK will not be applied to KRG controlled south-kurdistan. And since turkey is unlikely to resort to costly long-term occupation strategies, in an area where their opposition enjoys majority support, in the light of US and USSRs recent failures. Turkey will instead opt for a third strategy. One that has worked in the past against saddam in the gulf-war and other states. Turkey will go on a short and offensive campaign, deploying its military to decimate KRGs infrastructure, and use kurdistan strategic disadvantages of being landlocked to extort and suffocate KRG. Perhaps a short term occupation would occur, to capture important kurdish areas for a short period of tinme, aswell as dismantle infrastructure and extort KRG. What would effectively render this strategy useless however... is to invest heavily in defense equipment. Namely anti-air equipment neccesary to mitigate the turkish airforce superiority, which would instrumental in this offensive Destroy and Burn strategy. Aswell as make preparations to utilize kurdistans difficult terrain and topgraphy to prevent turkish forces from moving into kurdish territory and capturing kurdish strategic assets and areas. Regardless of the battle that might transpire in the future, a fight with turkey will be difficult and would mean that KRG that is dependent on turkey would face serious water and supply deficits.
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| Tevger | 30th November 2013 - 02:28 AM Post #2 |
 
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there is not going to be a war between KRG and Turkey |
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| lashgare | 30th November 2013 - 02:45 AM Post #3 |
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But if they did... that is how they would attack. |
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| Azamat | 30th November 2013 - 02:50 AM Post #4 |
 
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When the whole us versus Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria thing is over and we've finally achieved independence in all 4 parts, a new conflict theater may open: Kurdistan against Armenia and a hypothetical Assyrian state. Far-right nationalism/fascism is on the rise in Europe and countries under a government like the Golden Dawn party would support Armenian and Assyrian nationalists against us. |
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| lashgare | 30th November 2013 - 02:56 AM Post #5 |
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The main problem for kurds is their political disunity and their lack of supplies. Turkey, Iran and Syria know this. Hence why edrogan has been pitting kurdish nationalist organizations in WK against KRG. They know that unless they resort to the tactics as Saddam(which would have heavy reprecussions on turkey), they could only end up in an endless quagmire like chechenya and afghanistan if they fight. Once we unify, and move together... we will be able to hold kurdistan indefinitely using guerilla tactics.
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 02:58 AM Post #6 |
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 Armenian AHAHAHAHAH. That little piece of shizz country, bahahahahahaha, vs us?? Not going to happen, however, they will have some terrorist organisations, not supported by their own people. I actually want a far right nationalist Europe, only we can benefit from it
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 02:58 AM Post #7 |
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Assyrians, lol , are you high, these cowards aren't men enough to lift a gun, and majority are dwarf people. |
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 03:00 AM Post #8 |
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I am sorry, it is not the way of Islam to make fun of people's mistake. I shall ask Allah for forgiveness and awareness. Bi'smillahi rahman ar'rahim |
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| lashgare | 30th November 2013 - 03:00 AM Post #9 |
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Guys please lets stay serious and not to resort to making disparaging comments about armenians and assyrians, they might be competitors, but this doesn't really do anything. The point here is to discuss and analyze the kurdish role from a Military POV in future conflicts. |
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 03:02 AM Post #10 |
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Of course, sorry |
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 03:11 AM Post #11 |
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I would like to add that there won't be an armed war between Kurdistan and Turkey until a WWIII breaks out. There are three WWIII scenario for our areas: Either Kurdistan and Turkey ally, or we become enemies, or we get nuked before we can do anything. However, Turkey is already waging a war against SK, an economical, cultural and domination conflict. Turkey is trying to annihilate Kurdistan by these means. We have already seen the signs: Turkification of everything in SK, economical dominance in SK through thousands of companies, using SK's landlock to its advantage, Gulen school such as Ishik (I have to say, the students are more open to Turks, and speaking Turkish in SK has become something that makes the person cool) etc. Other signs is that, FM Davutoglu, I think, said himself that they cannot assimilate Kurds through military, so they would do it psychologically, sociologically (school, tv). The only way we can counter attack the Turkish war is to educate as many Kurds as possible and give them more possibilities. Other, more secure ways would be to make Kurds ultra-nationalists and destroy everything Turkish...Turkey, to our fortune, cannot stop the money flowing through the oil just because we say no to Turkish influence in SK.
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 03:14 AM Post #12 |
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The money they get is just unbelievable...in a few years it will become more money than what Turkey's tourism sector makes a year |
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| lashgare | 30th November 2013 - 03:16 AM Post #13 |
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This is why we need Rojava to include sea access, if we have that... we are less dependent on turkey. We should secure the areas near latakia to open ports.
Edited by lashgare, 30th November 2013 - 03:20 AM.
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| Azamat | 30th November 2013 - 03:33 AM Post #14 |
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That "little piece of shizz country" has 2 plutonium producing reactors and Scud ballistic missiles. They could produce nuclear weapons if they wanted to, something we won't be able to do in the next couple of decades. In the event of a new far-right Europe a la Golden Dawn they would also have unconditional access to all kinds of Western assistance, again something that would not apply to us because we're Muslims. If you ask yourself why they would do that even if there might be little to no strategic gain, just look at Russia's active and staunch support of Armenia. Some countries actually get supported because purely because other countries like them, irrational as that may be. By contrast, Russia's relations with Azerbaijan are based mainly on economical ties. Which country receives all the heavy weaponry and aid from Russia? Armenia.
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| RawandKurdistani | 30th November 2013 - 03:44 AM Post #15 |
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They can't just build a nuke by tomorrow and then use it on us. Even if they've planed to do it, they would only dare to use it when the tensions between us are highest, and by then we already have counter-nukes i'll promise you that. A single bomb over civilian Kurds and we will bury their country. Forget about Golden Dawn, they will never achieve anything either way, the Greek goverment arrested all of their leaders a couple of months ago, they will never be anything more than a bunch of Neo-Nazi dreamers. |
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) |
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 03:50 AM Post #16 |
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Yes, Armenia can build maybe, but the point is that far right nationalism will bring Europe to a deep war. Ultra Nationalism can lead to strong disagreements, which will lead to boycotts econimcally, which then leads to countries wanting to occupy each other. Then again if there is far right nationalism in Europe, every country will join to pick a side...it would only benefit us, as no one will actually care to help Turkey against Kurds. Turkey might even be busy having a war with Europe, for example they join forces with France against Greece and Balkan countries etc, you know the scenario |
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| lashgare | 30th November 2013 - 04:10 AM Post #17 |
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what about kurds in europe. |
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 04:50 AM Post #18 |
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I don't really know, they should move to Sweden, or Kurdistan. If a war starts in Europe, then we can forget about lobbying in those countries after, if they remain. I would say move to Sweden, Canada, Siberia or Kurdistan, or just stay and die, I cannot decide that. But a great war in Europe would be fantastic for us. All our neighbours would forget us, because it will become a race within their own states |
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 05:12 AM Post #19 |
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Zagros, aren't you going to get angry? |
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| Zagros | 30th November 2013 - 05:19 AM Post #20 |
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Because of the European war? No. Armenian-Assyrian-Kurdish war: Maybe. I'm very calm now. But I think they are weak enemies.
Edited by Zagros, 30th November 2013 - 05:24 AM.
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| Zagros | 30th November 2013 - 05:28 AM Post #21 |
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I'm very frightening when I become really angry. 
Edited by Zagros, 30th November 2013 - 06:13 AM.
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 05:29 AM Post #22 |
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Who are weak enemies? |
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| Zagros | 30th November 2013 - 05:31 AM Post #23 |
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Armenians and Assyrians. |
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| Xoybun | 30th November 2013 - 05:33 AM Post #24 |
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lol |
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| Zagros | 30th November 2013 - 10:36 AM Post #25 |
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Iraq, Iran and Turkey and Syria after the civil war will attack the KRG because Barzani declare independence. Pesherga army will win. Then the peshmerga with the PKK, YPG and Rojhelati groups will wipe out Turkey and other countrys from the map. Kurdistan will be free.
Edited by Zagros, 30th November 2013 - 10:40 AM.
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