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| [ti]SW[/ti]Building a Weapon Manufacturing Capacity | |
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| Topic Started: 20th November 2013 - 09:51 PM (82,856 Views) | |
| Jim M | 9th October 2015 - 04:09 AM Post #151 |
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Seeing these pictures I can think of all kinds of questions. Are they selling these to the Peshmerga (KRG). I know they must be but are there plans to build them on an assembly line basis? More important does the KRG have plans to purchase more from this company? The top pictures the vehicle looks like Reva's produced by ICP South Africa. (Or a copy.) Does anyone know? The bottom one I can't identify but I assume it is a copy of an existing design. (Maybe a newer model Reva.) Does anyone know what it is? Does anyone have any further information about this company and its plans to build vehicles? I know I would be belittling this effort if I said the KRG can get all the armored cars of this size they want and what they really need to produce is a vehicle like the EE9 Cascavel with at least a 57mm cannon (which the Peshmerga have in their inventory). This is really exciting stuff for the KRG and the Peshmerga but what are the future plans. Usually when you see something like this the company proudly puts out a press release. I suppose we can only assume this company is in basically the same boat as all the other builders of APC's in small machine shops and that is giving them free to the Peshmerga and hoping they get paid. Regards, Jim M
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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| ALAN | 9th October 2015 - 12:46 PM Post #152 |
 
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@ Jim: Halo posted a video about it it's all made by the company Pirot, they have produced 3 APCs so far 1 Pirot thou, and they want to sign a contract with KRG to produce APCs with different designs, the Reva looking one is made by them also seems to be copied from Reva, and the other one is called Pirot totally a new Kurdish design...  Weapon industry is a must and is starting in KRG... |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 9th October 2015 - 12:48 PM Post #153 |
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Here Jim was posted in Pesh thread...
They have a website: http://www.PeerotGroup.com/
              
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Armanc | 10th October 2015 - 02:15 AM Post #154 |
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Now I hope KRG will invest and buy the APCs from the Peerot Group so that it can build more. The disadvantage of the group is that it is Kurdish and the KRG dont likes Kurdish companies. |
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| Azadi | 13th October 2015 - 08:23 PM Post #155 |
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biji. Hopefully KRG actually invests in this. Maybe some arms manufacturers will show up too soon enough. |
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| ALAN | 13th October 2015 - 11:55 PM Post #156 |
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Haha yes but first we must solve the presidency issue which has crippled the nation. |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Jim M | 19th October 2015 - 04:30 AM Post #157 |
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(This factory is being built in Algeria with the help of the German government but the Kurds who are considered part of Iraq (which in reality doesn't exist) aren't allowed to have such things for fear of angering people (Turkey) who are in the process of bombing and killing them all the while fighting a war against a savage suicidal enemy (ISIS). The situation seems so bizarre to me that you couldn't make up fiction like this that would be believable.) Germany has approved the delivery of Rheinmetall Fuchs 6x6 personnel carrier assembly to Algeria. Monday, 25 August 2014 Germany's Economy Ministry has approved plans by defence group Rheinmetall to deliver a tank assembly plant to Algeria, according to a reply sent by the ministry following a request from a member of parliament. Rheinmetall's delivery to Algeria includes a production line to assemble the Fuchs wheeled armoured transport vehicle, as well as other parts valued at more than 28 million euros ($37 million), according to the document. The planned factory, located about 400 km east of Algeria's capital Algiers, is to build nearly 1,000 armoured vehicles, Der Spiegel said, adding parts would be exported to the country, where workers would assemble them. The deal is the result of a visit to Algeria by German Chancellor Angela Merkel in 2008 and was largely approved by the previous government, Der Spiegel said. Earlier this year, Economy Minister Sigmar Gabriel said he would tighten rules on arms exports, curbing sales to states such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia, whose purchases had previously helped make Germany the world's third largest arms exporter. Germany earlier this month permanently halted Rheinmetall's planned export of combat simulation equipment to Russia, going beyond recently imposed European Union sanctions which block future defence contracts. The FUCHS TPz1 is a German 6x6 armoured vehicle personnel carrier developed by Daimler-Benz and built by Thyssen-Henschel in 1979. The latest variants of the vehicle are marketed by the German Company Rheinmetall Defence. The troop/cargo compartment is at the rear of the vehicle and is 3.2 m long, 1.25 m high and 1.5 m wide at its widest point. The Fuchs can carry a total of 10 infantrymen seated on individual bucket seats, five down each side of the hull. The all-welded steel hull of the Transportpanzer 1 protects the crew from small arms fire and shell splinters. Late 2001, German Company Rheinmetall Landsysteme has designed a new version of the Fuchs under the name of Fuchs 2. The all-welded steel armour hull provides the occupants with protection from 7.62 mm armour piercing attack. The Fuchs 2 can be also fitted with armour kit to provide protection against 12.7 and 14.5 mm armour-piercing attack, artillery fragments and mines. The troop compartment roof has been raised 145 mm for greater internal volume compare with the Fuchs 1 and the roof-mounted air inlet/outlet louvres have been redesigned. DaimlerChrysler axles have been installed on the Fuchs 2, which has enabled the payload to be increased by 4,000 kg to a maximum of 9,400 kg. The Fuchs 2 is motorized with a MTU 6V 199 TE20 turbocharged low-mission diesel engine which develops 425 hp and meets EURO III emission standards. This is coupled to a ZF 6 HP 602 fully automatic six-speed transmission with integrated retarder. With a maximum combat weight of 20,000 kg the Fuchs 2 is fully amphibious, being propelled in the water by two Schottel propellers mounted one either side of the hull at the rear. The Fuchs 2 can be fitted with a full range of weapons as a 12.7 mm M2 heavy machine gun or a 40 mm automatic grenade launcher.  Fuchs 1 6x6 armoured personnel carrier of German army. http://www.armyrecognition.com/august_2014_global_defense_security_news_uk/germany_has_approved_the_delivery_of_rheinmetall_fuchs_6x6_personnel_carrier_assembly_to_algeria_250.html
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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| Jim M | 19th October 2015 - 05:02 AM Post #158 |
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(Israel should be training the Kurds on the Merkava secretly in the Negev desert. Then when the time is right fly them into the KRG with every transport aircraft they have. About 1/3 of these tanks should be driven into Rojava in a convoy of tractor trailers covered with tarps. Then when Turkey and Iran attack with aircraft the Israeli air force would defend the skies while the Kurds Merkava's return the shelling they get across their respective borders (as neither of those countries has the guts to invade). My guess is this would last until the Turks and the Iranian's lose about half their aircraft. My conclusion is only after giving those savages a bloody nose will the Kurds ever get any respect. It is also my belief that Russia and the US would sit this out. The Russians because it would be defending Syrian airspace and the US because Obama is a coward and would sit on the sidelines as his two allies in the m/e fight it out. Any comments on my battle plan scenario?) Tochnit ha Merkava (Official Chariot Tank Program) Merkava Mark IV BAZ proto-type roll-out Announced & Shown February 2007 by OC Armor Corps Brigadier General H. Rodoi In 1995 MANTAK (Merkava operations office announced the Merk III BAZ with a new Sharpshooter FCS called the Knights Mk4 system. But, as they always do, they immediately began work on the next gen system both the "I" Improve TADIR FCS and the Mark 4 Merkava for the 2000 years. It was decided they would finally include an APS defensive shield that had been work on for ten years, first by IMI and then by Rafael. IAI would also join in when they were ask to provide the radar sensors by their ELTA division. In 1999 testing of almost a dozen Mark IV proto types had been completed and it was announced in October orders for long lead items like for instance the new 1500 hsp German power pack was tendered from MTU model 883 got selected. Since funding was tight and this Mk4 was to be way more expensive than previous models, it was arranged to have the USA GD produce the engine under license and get funded from FCS funding. Trophy was not ready quite yet but was proving to be out of reached financially due to IDF budget restrictions. So it was put on temporary delay. However, Israel many enimies like Hezbollah in the 2006 war would come to Merkava assistance. Actually it more than likely rescued it from a certain early production closure. Funny how your worst enemy can do wonderful things for your country's military defenses... just ask the Russian and American defense departments how that worked out for the entire cold war period! The APS is now here and is actually here in more than just one way. IAI Iron Fist has arrived on scene and Rafael now has a whole family of APS developments. Some for older tanks like the Mark IV's from 1999 through 2006, for export countries, for production line Merkavas now coming off the assembly line with an integrated system and a mark II improve system that's even Lighter weight for smaller front line combat vehicles and trucks. Thus you can have Merkava Mk4 with upgraded APS called Aspro C, production line Aspro A or Merkava Mk 4B or BAZ and Merkava Mk 4 M newer improved APS from 2011 on ward. Go figure. The question on still older Mk III's and Mark II's is not looking economical but to just order more Mark 4's and to sell off all the Mark I, Mark II and Mark III's on the world tank market. We'll see. http://www.supervideo.com/MXCD-ROMOS.htm 
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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| ALAN | 5th November 2015 - 12:05 PM Post #159 |
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 5th November 2015 - 12:10 PM Post #160 |
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Those are anti bullet glass alright 
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | 5th November 2015 - 02:21 PM Post #161 |
 
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What's with the thin old armour plate body can that even stop 50 calibers I don't like like the idea of cheap nock offs it's Kurdish lives that need protecting and look at the chassis looks very bomb proof , sorry I'm just giving opinion on what I see might have some good done to it I don't know and I think full round protection on roof would be better seen Isis get head scoped from the side on those. |
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | 5th November 2015 - 02:36 PM Post #162 |
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check out the wheels looks like it belongs on a sports car and In the post of the PEEROT in picture the wheels popped already , I've seen American vehicles which have this liquid when the tyre is ripped and the liquid is exposed to air it solidifies if that helps there must be a scientist or chemistry master in Kurdistan..well I hope |
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| Jim M | 5th November 2015 - 02:55 PM Post #163 |
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The .50cal (12.7× 99mm) round used by M2 machine gun and the M107 (or the Zagros) Long Range Sniper Rifle is for use against light armored vehicles and aircraft. This cartridge provides improved penetration performance against enemy personnel and light armored vehicles. The 50 BMG can penetrate the armor of most Light Armored Vehicles including Armored Personnel Carriers with up to 25mm of armor plate. (25mm on light armored vehicles like these would make them too heavy.) Continued and concentrated machine gun fire with the 50 cal. M2 can breach most typical urban walls. http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/50_ammo.html The Dragunov 7.62 x 54R (7N13) is an enhanced-penetration bullet designed to kill personnel wearing body armor, featuring a heat-strengthened core. The tip is uncoloured. A sealing lacquer belt on the mouth of the case is red-coloured. It can penetrate a 6 mm (0.25 in) thick St3 steel plate at 660m and 6Zh85T body armor at 800m. The (7N13) is a special purpose round and is not designed to penetrate the armor of most armored Personnel Carriers which are heavier than 6mm. All other 7.62 x 54R ammunition is strictly anti-personnel and for use against unarmoured (soft) vehicles/targets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9754mmR Regards, Jim M 9mm - .40s&w - .45 ACP - 5.45x39 (Russian) - 5.56x45 (NATO) - 7.62x39 (Russian) - 7.62x51 (NATO) - 7.62x54R (Russian) - .50 BMG (12.7mm NATO) 
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | 5th November 2015 - 03:25 PM Post #164 |
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Sorry i don't know much about these but whatever those Isis and Al nusra guys are shooting with on the trucks , if it can't stop that this Kurdish vehicle is only for hideing in no mans land |
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| Jim M | 6th November 2015 - 06:42 AM Post #165 |
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APC's and Armor This video is interesting and is why light APC's should have very small "bulletproof" glass windows. Also there seems to be some misunderstanding about APC's and armor plating. No light APC that I know of has armor heavy enough to withstand even 12.7 (50cal) rounds as you would need in excess of 25mm (see the attached diagram for the calculus for sloped armor) and when you get into armor that thick you are into a different type of vehicle. They call them tanks (MBT's). Even the EE-11 Urutu APC and the EE-9 Cascavel which are in the Peshmerga inventory have armor that is not more than 10mm (and a maximum of 12). I would also say that every wheeled vehicle the Peshmerga has that is in this class has similar armor thickness'. The main reason for the light armor is mainly for the calculated threats they face and for speed and mobility. 
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | 6th November 2015 - 09:20 AM Post #166 |
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thats why you need these slat armours and keeping the the front glass at an angle helps ive seen alot of these home built armoured vehicles have flat armor plates perfect for rpgs to hit even if it has 10 inches of steel it will go through
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| Bablisok | 6th November 2015 - 09:41 AM Post #167 |
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Mustafa please use some punctuation marks, it's pain reading your posts.
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | 6th November 2015 - 10:00 AM Post #168 |
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Haha sorry |
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| Jim M | 6th November 2015 - 01:33 PM Post #169 |
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This type of protection is only 50% effective against RPG's and is why they don't use these "slats" especially on very light APC's. Something else you never see on wheeled APC's is wheel covers hanging from the body. The frame and suspension of these vehicles are designed for a certain amount of weight and when it is overloaded the suspension becomes dangerously useless. As I've said before it is all about the perceived threat of the theater that the vehicle is used in. Slats also offer zero protection against the 50cal M2.
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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| Jim M | 6th November 2015 - 01:58 PM Post #170 |
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Here is a couple of articles on new wheeled APC's from around the world. I'd like you all to see if you can find vehicles that use "slat" armor for RPG protection. http://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/54122a6aa2cb17353b8b4569/light-vehicule-part-1 http://123.125.114.20/view/33fdc4bb524de518964b7d84.html?re=view
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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| Jim M | 10th November 2015 - 06:00 PM Post #171 |
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(An interesting article on a weapon almost as ubiquitous as the AK47 - the RPG7) How Rocket-Propelled Grenades Work The RPG-7 The RPG-7 anti-tank grenade launcher is robust, simple and lethal. It is also extremely popular. As it exists today, the RPG-7 is the result of many years of revisions and modifications. The "original" RPG -- based on the German Panzerfaust anti-tank weapon - was eventually followed by the RPG-2, the RPG-3 and so on. In fact, although the RPG-4 had passed field trials in 1961, test findings of a newer model, the RPG-7, were released that same year, but with much improved firing range and armor piercing capabilities. So in 1961 it was the RPG-7, not the RPG-4, which the Soviet Armed forces adopted for actual use. Today, the RPG-7 is used by the armies of over forty different countries and is also used, reportedly, by a range of terrorist organizations in the Middle East and Latin Americas. Now that we know what an RPG-7 is, let's take a look at how one operates. Firing an RPG-7 The RPG operator or an artillary assistant takes a propelling charge (booster, in image below) and screws it onto the end of a warhead. Basically, this is a stabilizing pipe that has four stabilizing fins that are folded around it with two additional fins at its rear end. A cardboard container encases the back end of the stabilizing pipe. Inside the cardboard container, a squib of nitroglycerin powder is wrapped around the stabilizing pipe and a primer or charge of gunpowder is stuffed into the end of the stabilizing pipe. The RPG operator or artillery person then takes this assembled artillery and loads it into the front end of the RPG launcher so that it lines up with the trigger mechanism. •The force of the built-up gases throws the grenade out of the tube at approximately 384 feet per second (117 meters per second). The abrupt acceleration of the grenade leaving the launcher triggers a piezoelectric fuze that ignites the primer (pyro-retarding gunpowder mixture). This then ignites the squib of nitro, thereby activating the rocket propulsion system (sustainer motor) to carry the grenade the rest of its trajectory. •A socket in the breach block alleviates recoil during firing. The exhaust gases exit to the rear of the launcher unit and the operator is free to immediately reload the weapon. In practice, however, no RPG operator would ever remain stationary and spend the time to reload; the launching flash and whitish blue-gray smoke provides a clear indication to the enemy of the RPG launcher's location. An effective, surviving RPG operator is one who quickly changes position and gets under cover. There are several types of grenades that can be used in the RPG-7. Some have a point initiating, base-detonating (PIBD) piezoelectric fuze: meaning that they are impact grenades. And, many others have back-up time delay systems, so that if they have not reached a target in a certain amount of time (something like four and a half seconds) the grenade will self destruct. The most commonly launched grenades are a High Explosive(HE) or High Explosive Anti Tank (HEAT) rounds. Impact grenades must be unarmed until they are actually fired because any accidental contact might set them off. Since they are usually shot from a launcher, they must have an automatic arming system. In some designs, like the one we describe above, the arming system is triggered by the propellant explosion that drives the grenade out of the launcher. In other designs, the grenade's acceleration or rotation during its flight arms the detonator. As for the back-up timed delay, the same fuze mechanism that sets off the the rocket would set this off. The spark ignites a slow-burning material in the fuze. In about four seconds, the delay material burns all the way through. The end of the delay element is connected to the detonator. The burning material at the end of the delay ignites the material in the detonator, thereby exploding the warhead. Inside a grenade AND your grill... Certain crystalline materials (like quartz, Rochelle salt and some ceramics) have piezoelectric behavior. When you apply pressure to them, you get a charge separation within the crystal and a voltage across the crystal that is sometimes extremely high. It turns out one of your household appliances uses similar technology: In a grill starter, the popping noise you hear is a little spring-loaded hammer hitting a crystal and generating thousands of volts across the faces of the crystal. A voltage this high is identical to the voltage that drives a spark plug in a gasoline engine. The crystal's voltage generates a spark large enough to light the gas in the grill. This same kind of technology can be used to detonate grenades and warheads. (The pictures in the article are half of what the article is about.) http://science.howstuffworks.com/rpg3.htm |
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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| Jim M | 12th November 2015 - 09:35 AM Post #172 |
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They could probably jump start the Kurdistan air force the same way. (Sounds good doesn't it the "Kurdistan Air Force" or KAF) What has the KRG got to lose by asking?? If the KRG supplied them with F5 Tiger II's they could do the same thing with those. Need Your Air Force Upgraded on the Cheap? Call Israel Dave Majumdar November 11, 2015  While glitzy new jets like the stealthy Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and the Russian PAK-FA capture the lion’s share of attention, most of the world’s air forces don’t need the latest and greatest toys. Often, something much more basic is more than sufficient for the purposes of most nations. A lot of air arms don’t even need or even want the latest fourth-generation fighters on the market like the Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed F-16V “Viper,” Saab JAS-39 Gripen or even a Russian-made Sukhoi Su-30 or Su-35. Moreover, many countries simply can’t afford such extravagances. But even those nations have options—one doesn’t have to buy a top-of-the-line F-35 stealth fighter to obtain decent capabilities. Often, refurbished older aircraft can offer capabilities that are comparable to their new brethren at a fraction of the price. Israel has often capitalized on that part of the international fighter market. Tel Aviv’s defense industry has sold or upgraded a host of aircraft for air arms around the planet. Those aircraft have ranged from its own homegrown products to upgraded Soviet-built MiGs for former Warsaw Pact member like Romania. In fact, Romania still operates a number of Israeli-upgraded MiG-21 Lancers that incorporate modern Elta EL/M 2032 pulse-doppler radars and a partial glass cockpit. Those jets can also carry the Rafael LITENING targeting pod and a host of laser-guided bombs and the Python-series dogfighting missiles. Effectively, Romania received good, modern capability for a fraction of the price of a new fourth-generation fighter. India also operates an extensively upgraded version of the antiquated MiG-21 called the Bison, which has proven to be surprisingly effective—if crash prone. With their upgraded Phazotron Kopyo radar—which is capable of simultaneously tracking eight targets—the Indian MiG-21s are able to attack targets beyond visual range with Russian-made Vympel R-77 radar-guided missiles. The Indian MiG-21s also incorporate helmet mounted cueing systems and the ability to carry the R-73 Archer dogfighting missile. That combination makes the aged jet a formidable adversary close in even against a much more modern aircraft. In fact, the Indians MiG-21s fared well even against Boeing F-15C Eagle during a Cope India exercise in 2004—granted the U.S. Air Force was operating with restrictive rules of engagement. However, while the Romanian and Indian MiGs were upgraded with new avionics, not much was done to upgrade their airframe structure. But conceivably, the even the ancient MiG-21 would still be viable with a refurbished airframe and cutting edge avionics. While no nations has opted to do that, Israel made a deal to supply fourteen refurbished and extensively modernized Israel Aerospace Industries F-21 Kfir fighters to Argentina—which is also a forty-year-old platform. The airframe is being completely refurbished to an almost “new” state and the aircraft’s General Electric J79 turbojets will be supplied in a “zero-hour” condition after a complete overhaul, according to my colleague Arie Egozi at Flight International. An engine replacement/overhaul would be required after 1,600 flight hours. The Mach 2.0 capable Kfir first flew in 1973, but the aircraft is an unlicensed derivative of the French Dassault Mirage V—which first flew in 1967. The Mirage V itself is a ground attack version of the Mirage III, which first flew in 1956. Thus, the Kfir design ultimately originates in the 1950s, but nonetheless, the latest Israeli modifications to the jet make the ancient fighter viable even in the 21st Century—and against much newer fourth-generation fighters. Even if the Kfir is old, it was always a fairly capable airframe. The U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps leased Israeli Kfirs under the F-21 designation for use as aggressors during the 1980s against American fourth-generation fighters like F-14, F-15, F-16 and F/A-18. Argentina’s Block 60 Kfir will be fitted with an Elta Systems EL/M-2052 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, which can simultaneously track sixty-four targets. The new radar can also simultaneously operate in air-to-air and air-to-ground modes—and it can support the latest air intercept weapons like the Israeli Darby active radar-guided missile (or AMRAAM if the U.S. were willing to sell it to Argentina). The jet is also being fitted with state-of-the-art electronic warfare systems for protection against air and surface threats. The Kfir will also be able to carry a host of Israeli-made air-to-ground weapons—and it offers a comprehensive suite of data-links. It’s not clear if the Argentinian Kfirs are being upgraded with a helmet-mounted cuing system, but there is no technical reason that would prevent the integration of such a system along with the Python-5 high off-boresight missile. The integration of those systems would make the Kfir an extremely formidable opponent in a close-in dogfight. But the Israeli jet does use open architecture avionics—which makes it easy to upgrade. So even if it’s not immediately going to be equipped with those weapons, they could be added later. Israel has other potential customers who might be interested in the Block 60 Kfir. Colombia is upgrading its Kfirs to a similar a standard as the Argentine jets while Ecuador—which operates an earlier version—may also want to upgrade its planes. But Israel’s sales focus has been on the Asia-Pacific region where there are a number of countries that need capable jets but which don’t have the money for an expensive top-of-the-line fighter like the F-16. Only time will tell how much success Israel will have in resurrecting the four-decade old Kfir for the 21th Century. But if other jets are out of many nations’ price range, Israel may have a winner on its hands. Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for The National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @davemajumdar. http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/need-your-air-force-upgraded-the-cheap-call-israel-14321?page=2
Edited by Jim M, 12th November 2015 - 11:49 AM.
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Kurdish Wisdom of War Proverbs: "Deal with your friends as if they will become your enemies tomorrow, and deal with your enemies as if they will become your friends tomorrow." "Those away from the battlefield boast about their swords." "Those who do not go to war roar like a lion." "Everything is pardoned the brave." "Whoever digs a pit for his enemy should dig it his own size." "A thousand friends are too few; one enemy is one too many." |
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| ALAN | 12th November 2015 - 11:14 AM Post #173 |
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KRG is so stupid, Israel has purchased our oil when no one did so why not get weapons for it!!!??? |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| jjmuneer | 2nd December 2015 - 06:02 AM Post #174 |
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Because the KRG is too busy trying to impress with fancy buildings and corruption. We need to display some military might. |
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| ALAN | 15th January 2016 - 06:41 PM Post #175 |
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This could be a start for further development into opening up a manufacturer of Germany weapons Germany has opened up a weapon repair center in Hawler...  |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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