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| kurdishpatriot | 5th July 2014 - 05:38 AM Post #1776 |
Cîdar Yekem
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TYT are one of the special turks i like because they are liberal. I think they are atheists, wel atleast that girl is. These turks are no fascists faggs like they have many of the fascist turks in the west and turkey. |
 
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| Fire | 5th July 2014 - 05:44 AM Post #1777 |
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Cenk Uygur, the presenter denied the genocide against Armenians and also called PKK "terrorist". It's not like as if he's anything special, he's still a dirty turk. But yes, he doesn't have this deep racism against Kurds, which many Turks have. And his position here's obviously good. But that's probably because Turkeys stance towards Kurdish independence changed. I don't think, he would have said the same a couple of months ago. |
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| diako_ber | 5th July 2014 - 06:06 AM Post #1778 |
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Great. We don't need them. Our most important partner will probably be Turkey, leaving Iran in a position that is of no use to us. |
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| Xoybun | 5th July 2014 - 06:11 AM Post #1779 |
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He is an entertainer, don't expect much from them. If he showed is racist side he wouldn't be as popular as now...So no he is not different as others, but money speaks first As I write this, I again see number 72, and it is the page number 
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| Xoybun | 5th July 2014 - 06:13 AM Post #1780 |
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Something we general population don't know is that Iran is VERY VERY dependent on our economy, so we have the power to close the doors, not them. Well they do, but that leads to starvation 
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| kurdishpatriot | 5th July 2014 - 06:15 AM Post #1781 |
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Cîdar Yekem
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Yeah i have heard about that because they have sanctions or something |
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| Pker2theend | 5th July 2014 - 06:15 AM Post #1782 |
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Iran does not benifit one bit only the rojhaletis do, before all rich shikakis had houses and cars now even the poor shikakis have them by working in hewler |
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| Xoybun | 5th July 2014 - 06:41 AM Post #1783 |
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Another thing why they cant close doors is Rojhelat is the first to get very poor, maybe leading to an uprising |
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| Zagros | 5th July 2014 - 08:16 AM Post #1784 |
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Kurds Confident International Community Welcome Their State WASHINGTON DC – Even though the United States officially states that it wants the Kurds to remain part of Iraq rather than going for outright independence in a planned referendum, two top Kurdish officials say Washington has increasingly become empathetic to the ethnic group’s statehood aspirations. Asked whether U.S. government’s official statements for a “united Iraq,” would mean its opposition to Kurdish independence, Falah Mustafa, Kurdistan’s de facto foreign minister, replied, “We have always heard such statements but the [US] position has gone under a significant change.” Mustafa made his comments Thursday, shortly before meeting Vice President Joe Biden and a day after meeting Secretary of State John Kerry in Washington. Nearly a week ago, Kerry made a special visit to Kurdistan urging its leaders to remain committed to Iraq’s territorial integrity and join the Iraqi Army in fighting the radical militants of the Islamic State (IS). His demand, however, was turned down right away by Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani, according to sources familiar with the meeting. “There is a new reality in Iraq,” Barzani said. Mustafa didn’t elaborate further on whether U.S. officials, in private meetings, had made any sort of promises to recognize what many view as an eminent independent Kurdistan. But he added, “what we see now, not only here in America but in most countries we have visited, including our neighbors, Arab countries, and the international community, is a change that they are increasingly welcoming towards Kurdistan.” Estimated as 30-million people, Kurds are believed to be the world’s largest ethnic group without a state of their own. KRG Kurds number some five million people living in area rich with natural resources. The only country to have so far openly declared its support for Kurdish independence is Israel. But Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has afterwards stated their verbal support for Kurdistan didn’t translate into real help for Iraq’s Kurds to achieve their longtime goal of statehood. Turkey, Kurdistan’s strongest ally to the north, has also shown indications, though in much less clear terms than Israel, that it would welcome an independent Kurdish state next door. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey has said that Iraq has practically ceased to exist as a unified entity, an outcome for which he primarily blames Iraq’s Prime Minister Nuri Maliki, a Shia. Mr. Erdogan’s party spokesperson has gone beyond that, saying that it’s simply up to Iraq’s Kurds to go for their right of self-determination. Fuad Hussein, chief of staff for President Barzani who was accompanying Mustafa on his Washington trip earlier this week, has told Rudaw they have conveyed a clear message to Washington that Kurds are going ahead with planned referendum on independence. In his first address at the Kurdistan Parliament in nearly five years, President Barzani called upon the region’s lawmakers to set a date for the referendum as soon as possible. He had previously predicated that preparations for the referendum would take longer than a few months. It’s yet to be known what the questions of the referendum would be or whether there would be any options, other than independence, for Iraq’s Kurds. Hussein said confederation -meaning more political autonomy and “economic independence,”- is the least desirable outcome for the Kurds at the moment. “Whatever the people of Kurdistan decide is going to be respected by everyone in Kurdistan,” said Hussein at the Kurdistan Regional Government’s Representation in Washington, adding that the implementation of the referendum’s result might take a bit longer depending on political circumstances in Iraq and the region. Based on previously unofficial polls, most Kurds are expected to vote for independence from Iraq should Kurdistan go ahead with the vote. A separate plebiscite is also expected to be held in the so-called disputed, oil-rich territories such as Kirkuk, where Kurds are now de facto governors, to decide whether people of those predominately Kurdish areas also want to be part of Kurdistan. Should Kirkuk, which produces more than a half-million barrels of crude a day, join Kurdistan, the new Kurdish state would likely be a strong oil-rich economy neighboring Turkey, which is heavily dependent on foreign oil and gas. “Very good,” said Hussein in response to a reporter’s question on how he describes his latest meetings with U.S. officials. http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/040720142 |
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| kurdishpatriot | 5th July 2014 - 08:29 AM Post #1785 |
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| Kurdistano | 5th July 2014 - 11:58 AM Post #1786 |
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I hate to say it, I know some people will not like it, but it is not my words it is a matter of a fact you can accept it or close your eyes on it. Now the recently freed Hatip Dicle hold an interview on imc TV. He told that they have abondened the idea of a Kurdish state long time ago and that KRG should do the same. He said indirectly Barzani should not be allowed to declare independence. Barzani should not be able to hold a referendum otherwise the people will chose a Kurdish state and this is wrong (He basically criticizes Barzani that he wants to give the folk te right of decision and does not force them to stay part of Iraq). The duty of a politician should be to prevent this (Kurdistan). Barzani should not say Kerkûk is Kurdistan, because Kerkûk belongs all nations. From 20:30 to 27:00 http://www.bestanuce.org/video/video.php?videoid=2759&=hatip-dicle-imc-tv-ozel-program-04-07-2014 So now Salih said the same, Cemil Bayik said similar things, Hatip Dicle says the same. Guys please I have no lust on a discussion about this, because there is NO MORE ROOM. For discussion. The stance of PKK is clear. THEY ARE ANTI KURDISTANI. Either you accept or denied it, it is up to you. RIP Rojava.. I hope I am wrong.
Edited by Kurdistano, 5th July 2014 - 01:13 PM.
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| ALAN | 5th July 2014 - 12:02 PM Post #1787 |
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If those guys said that then they are agents like Adel Murad but I doubt it's PKK official statements.... |
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| Kurdistano | 5th July 2014 - 12:05 PM Post #1788 |
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Heval Cemil Bayik is the leader of PKK. Salih Muslim is the leader of PYD. Hatip Dicle is the former mayor of Amed. |
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| Xoybun | 5th July 2014 - 01:22 PM Post #1789 |
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PDK did deny Rojava, so PKK is just acting out of revenge. Stop spreading disunity. And it would have been more trustworthy if it came from someone who is no such an anti-PKK guy. I just want you to see you for once say something positive about them. Was a relative a village guard or something killed by PKK? I don'y get you (an NKi and hates PKK, but for what? No one else wants to fight) Please move to seniors, we don't want guests and other users to read this stuff. Kurdistano, use the seniors, you were given that status so you could post these things there, not use Kurdistan independence as a propaganda base for your personal needs and satisfaction. |
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| Kurdistano | 5th July 2014 - 01:28 PM Post #1790 |
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I knew that this would be used as argument. I said that on facebook when someone posted this. Man wake up. This is the official attitude of PKK they don't deny Bashur independence they say they are against independence of ALL Kurdistan. Also your argument is totally invalid because recently PYD and PDK have sitten together and agreed. The border is open, Peshmerga and YPG are cooperating on Rabia border. so why should PKK use this as propaganda? They say they have abondened the Idea of independence not for bashur but all Kurdistan. How the f**k is this revenge on PDK if they say they oppose independence in Rojava? How can a normal human be so much in denial: PKK is direclty against a Kurdish state. Go ask a PKK member yourself.
Edited by Kurdistano, 5th July 2014 - 01:30 PM.
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| ALAN | 5th July 2014 - 04:41 PM Post #1791 |
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Good interview with 3 UK MPs who recently visited KRG including Kerkûk... UK willing to help KRG in military sector.... http://rudaw.net/sorani/onair/tv/episodes/episode/hevpeivin_04072014 |
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| jjmuneer | 5th July 2014 - 07:26 PM Post #1792 |
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So why did you have to randomly bring this topic up on this thread? Go discuss it on PDK/PKK thread please. |
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| Zinar | 5th July 2014 - 08:37 PM Post #1793 |
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You still dont know anything about PKK you're only working as a PDK propaganda machine even if Barzani killed 20million kurds you would praise your lord and say he did it for a independant Kurdistan. However before spreading BS propaganda do you know the serxwebun wing in PKK? However i agree PKKs time is over we need a new kurdish party because Bakuris will never ever accept warlord Barzani as their leader after what he did in the 90s against us and Apo is a agent we need too get rid of him as soon as possible because he's brainwashing nationalist kurds.
Edited by Zinar, 5th July 2014 - 08:45 PM.
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| Kurdistano | 5th July 2014 - 09:28 PM Post #1794 |
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Random? God you have no idea. I saw first a PYD official officialy announcing his opposement against independence Kurdistan and I didn't share it here. Than within A DAY. I read and heard Salih Muslim, Cemil Bayik and Hatip Dicle saying the same. How could I ignore this as a patriotic Kurd? |
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| Kurdistano | 5th July 2014 - 09:32 PM Post #1795 |
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| Xoybun | 5th July 2014 - 10:52 PM Post #1796 |
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Yet Rojava is drawing their borders and have a government...man only if you want a country do you create these. I dont expect much from you, because so far you have only spread disunity in times of unity. You search for the sickest articles as if out of revenge. Maybe you arent fully Kurdish, not even anti-KDP members have the energy to spread this much disunity. |
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| ALAN | 6th July 2014 - 02:20 AM Post #1797 |
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32 countries have contacted KRG who will instantly recognize south Kurdistan are: Armenia, Germany, Argentina, Belgium, Bulgaria, Bahrain, Finland, France, Qatar, Poland, Portugal, Albania, Kenya, Lebanon, Turkey, Tunisia, Sweden, Kazakhstan, Greece, Japan, Italy, Canada, Mexico, Georgia, South Africa, Czech, Austria, New Zealand, Croatia, India, China and south Korea... بەپێی پەیجەكەی محەممەد حاجی مەحموود، ئەو وڵاتانە ئەمانەن: (ئەرمینیا،ئەڵمانیا، ئەرجەنتین، بەلجیكا، بولگاریا، بەحرەین، فینلەندا، فەرەنسا، قەتەر، پۆلۆنیا، پۆرتوگال، ئەلبانیا،كینیا، لوبنان، توركیا، تونس، سوێد، كازاخستان، یۆنان، یابان، ئیتاڵیا، كەنەدا، مەكسیك، جۆرجیا، ئەفریقای باشوور، چیك، نەمسا، نیوزلەندا، كرواتیا، هیند، چین و كۆریا). http://rudaw.net/sorani/kurdistan/0507201416 Where is Israel and Jordan? |
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| AlanJunior | 6th July 2014 - 02:23 AM Post #1798 |
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Adel sais Kurds should not and would not declare independence. Speaking to fars news. Why has he not been fired yet the bloody jash?? |
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| AlanJunior | 6th July 2014 - 02:27 AM Post #1799 |
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Here it is. http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930414001214 |
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| Zlatan10 | 6th July 2014 - 02:31 AM Post #1800 |
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Israel and Jordan has already show there support 
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