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Miss Kurdistan; 2013
Topic Started: 28th September 2013 - 10:01 AM (11,801 Views)
Kurdistano	1st October 2013 - 11:21 PM Post #51
Salar Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	jjmuneer 1st October 2013 - 09:38 PM Kurdistano 1st October 2013 - 09:12 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Light_Eyes_in_Europe.png Heval then tell me which scientist created that map? You're telling me Northern Ilam, Hakkari, South-west Hamadan don't have a higher percentage of lighter eyes and hair? I'm not saying it doesn't exist throughout Kurdistan, but the concentration is much higher in those regions. Anyway I don't really care, I've noticed every person from their own region wants to make their own region seem lighter. Hewal, the only reason you seem to be against this map seems to be that feyli areas are not shown the lightest. Feyli Kurds compared to Persians are lighter by hair and eye but most Kurds from North, West and Southwest and Northeast (but not all at all) have generally slightly higher incidences of light hair any eyes, maybe just by few percentages. But this is what I see on all modern and most old maps and I know some Feylis personally. So I don't know whats wrong about it. There are however some areas withing the Kermanshah and Ilam which considerably lighter than some areas in the Rest, but this is all too specific and too much work. You need to take into account. Such maps are meant to show just roughly the percentages. Also what sets apart nomadic Feylis and Hakkari Kurds from Southern Kurds is not the much higher occurrence of light eyes or hair but the general facial features. And to be honest there I still see more resemblance of Feylis to other Southern Kurds while Hakkari Kurds generally have something more unique. However among South and Southeastern Kurds Feyli nomads come closest to Hakkari Kurds. Even by female clothes they show strong resemblance. Edited by Kurdistano, 1st October 2013 - 11:28 PM.



Kurdistano	1st October 2013 - 11:27 PM Post #52
Salar Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	Azamat 1st October 2013 - 12:14 PM Kurdistano 1st October 2013 - 11:47 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Kurdistano, throughout my time on Anthroscape I have seen many Greek, Bulgarian, Italian and other South Euro women being posted with similar features as her. But I'll take your word for it, maybe these examples I've seen were atypical for their respective countries. Azamat genetically the closest to Western Asians are South Europeans. No matter what some South Europeans with inferiority complex tell you, Any similarities between South Europeans and Kurds or other of the Region are based on Genetic similarities of South Europeans to West Asia. The Mediterranean, West Asian and to lesser extend Southwest Asian component in South Europe have their origin in the Near East. So these women if showing resemblance to Europeans does not make them "less Near Eastern". Most of the Girls in the competition had various type of Mediterranean(ranging from Iranian Med to Pontid), Alpine and some Armenid appearance. All of these are common types among Kurds.



jjmuneer	1st October 2013 - 11:36 PM Post #53
KSS Salar Posts: 8,615 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Kurdistano 1st October 2013 - 11:21 PM jjmuneer 1st October 2013 - 09:38 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Light_Eyes_in_Europe.png Hewal, the only reason you seem to be against this map seems to be that feyli areas are not shown the lightest. Feyli Kurds compared to Persians are lighter by hair and eye but most Kurds from North, West and Southwest and Northeast (but not all at all) have generally slightly higher incidences of light hair any eyes, maybe just by few percentages. But this is what I see on all modern and most old maps and I know some Feylis personally. So I don't know whats wrong about it. There are however some areas withing the Kermanshah and Ilam which considerably lighter than some areas in the Rest, but this is all too specific and too much work. You need to take into account. Such maps are meant to show just roughly the percentages. Also what sets apart nomadic Feylis and Hakkari Kurds from Southern Kurds is not the much higher occurrence of light eyes or hair but the general facial features. And to be honest there I still see more resemblance of Feylis to other Southern Kurds while Hakkari Kurds generally have something more unique. However among South and Southeastern Kurds Feyli nomads come closest to Hakkari Kurds. Even by female clothes they show strong resemblance. Look I never said Kirmanshan, I'm talking about the nomadic tribes of the feyli confederacy, they inhabit the regions of Ilam, Mandali and Khanaqin to a lesser extent, although Khanaqinis have sorani influence. Anyway Kurdistano are you telling me your family are lighter than mine? (I know what you will say, cause you said it before, my family are "Atypical". Trust me they aren't.) Be serious, I know in terms of skin tone Northern Kurds are lighter, but I cannot say the same in terms of eye/hair. In london there are mostly Northern Kurds here and very very rarely do they have so called light features. But heval there are barely any Feylis in Germany, maybe a few families, so you cannot get a representation from that. Just go to Mandali or Ilam city, and you will see what I mean. I also have family in Germany heval. Well I think your talking about the Lori Feylis, they usually have more colourfol clothing, whilst the Northern Ilamis generally have black, red and white. But yeh I guess so. Look lets just forget this, I'm familar with SE-Kurdistan, and you are familar with the Dersim/Alevi regions of NK.



jjmuneer	1st October 2013 - 11:36 PM Post #54
KSS Salar Posts: 8,615 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Kurdistano 1st October 2013 - 11:27 PM Azamat 1st October 2013 - 12:14 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Azamat genetically the closest to Western Asians are South Europeans. No matter what some South Europeans with inferiority complex tell you, Any similarities between South Europeans and Kurds or other of the Region are based on Genetic similarities of South Europeans to West Asia. The Mediterranean, West Asian and to lesser extend Southwest Asian component in South Europe have their origin in the Near East. So these women if showing resemblance to Europeans does not make them "less Near Eastern". Most of the Girls in the competition had various type of Mediterranean(ranging from Iranian Med to Pontid), Alpine and some Armenid appearance. All of these are common types among Kurds. What about central Asia? Don't Kurds drift genetically towards Central Asian populations?



jjmuneer	1st October 2013 - 11:39 PM Post #55
KSS Salar Posts: 8,615 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Kurdistano how often do you get textbook Iranid types in NK? I honestly see more Alpinoid types and Armenoid types. Of course Iranids have a strong presence in NK, but I find it there is more variation in phenotype in NK.



Kurdistano	1st October 2013 - 11:51 PM Post #56
Salar Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	jjmuneer 1st October 2013 - 11:36 PM Kurdistano 1st October 2013 - 11:27 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep What about central Asia? Don't Kurds drift genetically towards Central Asian populations? No the Central Asians drift towards Kurds, It's a ancient genetic connection between East Caucasus, Iran-Mesopotamia and South_Central Asia. But this genes causing this connection are very ancient and more related to North Europeans and even Mediterraneans.



Kurdistano	1st October 2013 - 11:52 PM Post #57
Salar Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	jjmuneer 1st October 2013 - 11:36 PM Kurdistano 1st October 2013 - 11:21 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Light_Eyes_in_Europe.pngroughly the percentages. Also what sets apart nomadic Feylis and Hakkari Kurds from Southern Kurds is not the much higher occurrence of light eyes or hair but the general facial features. And to be honest there I still see more resemblance of Feylis to other Southern Kurds while Hakkari Kurds generally have something more unique. However among South and Southeastern Kurds Feyli nomads come closest to Hakkari Kurds. Even by female clothes they show strong resemblance. Look I never said Kirmanshan, I'm talking about the nomadic tribes of the feyli confederacy, they inhabit the regions of Ilam, Mandali and Khanaqin to a lesser extent, although Khanaqinis have sorani influence. Anyway Kurdistano are you telling me your family are lighter than mine? (I know what you will say, cause you said it before, my family are "Atypical". Trust me they aren't.) Be serious, I know in terms of skin tone Northern Kurds are lighter, but I cannot say the same in terms of eye/hair. In london there are mostly Northern Kurds here and very very rarely do they have so called light features. But heval there are barely any Feylis in Germany, maybe a few families, so you cannot get a representation from that. Just go to Mandali or Ilam city, and you will see what I mean. I also have family in Germany heval. Well I think your talking about the Lori Feylis, they usually have more colourfol clothing, whilst the Northern Ilamis generally have black, red and white. But yeh I guess so. Look lets just forget this, I'm familar with SE-Kurdistan, and you are familar with the Dersim/Alevi regions of NK. JJ this is exactly what I said. The map is just roughly and shows the average of the Regions. There are most likely nomadic Feylis which are lighter than the average. But the usual Kirmashani or Ilami is a different case.



jjmuneer	1st October 2013 - 11:59 PM Post #58
KSS Salar Posts: 8,615 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Kurdistano 1st October 2013 - 11:51 PM jjmuneer 1st October 2013 - 11:36 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep No the Central Asians drift towards Kurds, It's a ancient genetic connection between East Caucasus, Iran-Mesopotamia and South_Central Asia. But this genes causing this connection are very ancient and more related to North Europeans and even Mediterraneans. I see, I thought it was the other way around because Kurds descend from the Medes primarily, and ovbiously other Iranic tribes. Since the Indo-Iranian homeland was in Andronovo. Kurds only the Dodecad calculator usually score a high central Asian score.



Kurdistano	2nd October 2013 - 12:01 AM Post #59
Salar Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	jjmuneer 1st October 2013 - 11:39 PM Kurdistano how often do you get textbook Iranid types in NK? I honestly see more Alpinoid types and Armenoid types. Of course Iranids have a strong presence in NK, but I find it there is more variation in phenotype in NK. heval Armenoid and Alpine types are very present in South and East too. Your own aunt was some time ago classified by me and most other users on Anthroscape as Alpine-Armenid/mtebid. Iranian Med types are found throughout Kurdistan, Alpines too. The further you go to Northwest Kurdistan beside the Iranian Med type the Anatolid, Dinarized Med and Alpine types get more common too. the more West you get, beside Iranian Med the more common East Med/Pontid and Alpine get. In general all Kurdish regions have the same types of features just in different frequency.



jjmuneer	2nd October 2013 - 12:04 AM Post #60
KSS Salar Posts: 8,615 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Kurdistano 2nd October 2013 - 12:01 AM jjmuneer 1st October 2013 - 11:39 PM Kurdistano how often do you get textbook Iranid types in NK? I honestly see more Alpinoid types and Armenoid types. Of course Iranids have a strong presence in NK, but I find it there is more variation in phenotype in NK. heval Armenoid and Alpine types are very present in South and East too. Your own aunt was some time ago classified by me and most other users on Anthroscape as Alpine-Armenid/mtebid. Iranian Med types are found throughout Kurdistan, Alpines too. The further you go to Northwest Kurdistan beside the Iranian Med type the Anatolid, Dinarized Med and Alpine types get more common too. the more West you get, beside Iranian Med the more common East Med/Pontid and Alpine get. In general all Kurdish regions have the same types of features just in different frequency. Which aunty are you talking about? The one I posted recently? I'm not saying Armenoid don't exist in SE Kurdistan, but it is more pred in NK, since it oringates from there. Although yeh I do have relatives who are some Armenoid-Alpine types.



Kurdistano	2nd October 2013 - 12:07 AM Post #61
Salar Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	jjmuneer 1st October 2013 - 11:59 PM Kurdistano 1st October 2013 - 11:51 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep I see, I thought it was the other way around because Kurds descend from the Medes primarily, and ovbiously other Iranic tribes. Since the Indo-Iranian homeland was in Andronovo. Kurds only the Dodecad calculator usually score a high central Asian score. Its just a term/label, Dodecad might cal it "Central Asian" component but ultimately it originated in West Asia. It is a Gene connecting West and Central Asia but having it's origin in West Asia since it is dissimilar to other components in Central Asia. You need to take a look at the fst distance tables of these genes and you will realize what I said. Edited by Kurdistano, 2nd October 2013 - 12:07 AM.



MedianKurd	3rd October 2013 - 01:18 AM Post #62
Pêşeng Posts: 281 Group: Elite Member #13 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	they all look totally kurdish to me, i've seen alot of similiar kurdish girls like them,i've always recognized kurds in shopping malls, streets e.t.c, they don't even look western show me one italian/greek girl that looks like them,



lashgare	5th October 2013 - 09:36 PM Post #63
BANNED Posts: 767 Group: Members Member #232 Joined: Sep 6, 2013 Mood None	MedianKurd 3rd October 2013 - 01:18 AM they all look totally kurdish to me, i've seen alot of similiar kurdish girls like them,i've always recognized kurds in shopping malls, streets e.t.c, they don't even look western show me one italian/greek girl that looks like them, I agree... they don't look european at all. Some of them could pass as caucasians... but that's all. Even if they have the same skin color as southern europeans. The hair texture, eye shape, mouthes, eye brows look different and nose shape gives them a distinct look from european women. I also don't understand the fight about light eyes and hair color. Kurds are 90-95% brown eyed and dark-brown haired. You devalue our primary phenotype by paying more attention to light-hair/light eyes. We're not light-eyed and light-haired people, I don't see the point in discussing that. Edited by lashgare, 5th October 2013 - 09:37 PM.



Ali Alqosh	5th October 2013 - 09:41 PM Post #64
Serheng Posts: 1,972 Group: Elite Member #250 Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Mood None	lashgare 5th October 2013 - 09:36 PM MedianKurd 3rd October 2013 - 01:18 AM they all look totally kurdish to me, i've seen alot of similiar kurdish girls like them,i've always recognized kurds in shopping malls, streets e.t.c, they don't even look western show me one italian/greek girl that looks like them, I agree... they don't look european at all. Some of them could pass as caucasians... but that's all. Even if they have the same skin color as southern europeans. The hair texture, eye shape, mouthes, eye brows look different and nose shape gives them a distinct look from european women. I also don't understand the fight about light eyes and hair color. Kurds are 90-95% brown eyed and dark-brown haired. You devalue our primary phenotype by paying more attention to light-hair/light eyes. We're not light-eyed and light-haired people, I don't see the point in discussing that. No? 16 % are bkue eyed and there are also a lot of blond ppl and green eyed!



ALAN	5th October 2013 - 10:45 PM Post #65
Posts: 30,377 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Nov 16, 2012 Mood None	2013 2nd winner



Xoybun	6th October 2013 - 12:54 AM Post #66
PERMANENTLY BANNED Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: Dec 5, 2012 Mood None	ALAN 5th October 2013 - 10:45 PM 2013 2nd winner She looks better!!! WTF is wrong with the judges...testing intellect wtf. What does intellect have to do with beauty???



RawandKurdistani	6th October 2013 - 01:09 AM Post #67
Surchi/Xoshnawi Posts: 4,646 Group: Senior Members Member #3 Joined: Nov 17, 2012 Mood None	Gundî Uçar 5th October 2013 - 09:41 PM lashgare 5th October 2013 - 09:36 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep No? 16 % are bkue eyed and there are also a lot of blond ppl and green eyed! I highly doubt it would be more than 5% max.



RawandKurdistani	6th October 2013 - 01:10 AM Post #68
Surchi/Xoshnawi Posts: 4,646 Group: Senior Members Member #3 Joined: Nov 17, 2012 Mood None	Facepalm 6th October 2013 - 12:54 AM ALAN 5th October 2013 - 10:45 PM 2013 2nd winner She looks better!!! What does intellect have to do with beauty??? Quite a lot actually.



Ali Alqosh	6th October 2013 - 01:14 AM Post #69
Serheng Posts: 1,972 Group: Elite Member #250 Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Mood None	RawandKurdistani 6th October 2013 - 01:09 AM Gundî Uçar 5th October 2013 - 09:41 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep I highly doubt it would be more than 5% max. Not sure but my mamostê said so and actually there are a lot of them in NK which part are you from! As far as i can tell most zaza kurds are blue eyed? Maybe im wrong?



RawandKurdistani	6th October 2013 - 02:26 AM Post #70
Surchi/Xoshnawi Posts: 4,646 Group: Senior Members Member #3 Joined: Nov 17, 2012 Mood None	Gundî Uçar 6th October 2013 - 01:14 AM RawandKurdistani 6th October 2013 - 01:09 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Not sure but my mamostê said so and actually there are a lot of them in NK which part are you from! As far as i can tell most zaza kurds are blue eyed? Maybe im wrong? Don't question me about Zaza Kurds heval, as i'm from bashur, so i have no idea It's just something more rare here in the South. Many children are born with green/blue eyes and blond hair, but eventually that changes as they grow up.



Azamat	6th October 2013 - 03:59 AM Post #71
Pêşkar Posts: 851 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: Dec 9, 2012 Mood None	Many Zaza Kurds have light eyes but not light hair.



Kurdistano	6th October 2013 - 08:11 AM Post #72
Salar Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	lashgare 5th October 2013 - 09:36 PM MedianKurd 3rd October 2013 - 01:18 AM they all look totally kurdish to me, i've seen alot of similiar kurdish girls like them,i've always recognized kurds in shopping malls, streets e.t.c, they don't even look western show me one italian/greek girl that looks like them, I agree... they don't look european at all. Some of them could pass as caucasians... but that's all. Even if they have the same skin color as southern europeans. The hair texture, eye shape, mouthes, eye brows look different and nose shape gives them a distinct look from european women. I also don't understand the fight about light eyes and hair color. Kurds are 90-95% brown eyed and dark-brown haired. You devalue our primary phenotype by paying more attention to light-hair/light eyes. We're not light-eyed and light-haired people, I don't see the point in discussing that. with the hair color you are not bad estimating ~90% Black/Dark Brown/Brown hair but yet light eyes are more common. Many Kurds in North in general have light eyes, especially Hakkari, Van, Bitlis, Dersim, Sirnak and East Mardin. If the question is how much percentage of Kurds have real deep blue eyes it would still be around 5-10% depending on the Region in all of Kurdistan but if the question is how many Kurds have light eyes in general it would be more like 10-25% depending on Region because Green eyes are obviously more common than Blue once. Edited by Kurdistano, 6th October 2013 - 08:20 AM.



Kurdistano	6th October 2013 - 08:12 AM Post #73
Salar Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	ALAN 5th October 2013 - 10:45 PM 2013 2nd winner I saw her and my first thoughts were she looks stunning sweet but I knew she wouldn't win because she was not refined enough and her body was not your "typical model". Though she had a quite good body shape.



Halo	6th October 2013 - 08:20 AM Post #74
Têkoşer Posts: 5,589 Group: Senior Members Member #36 Joined: Jan 9, 2013 Mood None	Kurdistano 6th October 2013 - 08:12 AM ALAN 5th October 2013 - 10:45 PM 2013 2nd winner I saw her and my first thoughts were she looks stunning sweet but I knew she wouldn't win because she was not refined enough and her body was not your "typical model". Though she had a quite good body shape. Apparently she lives in Stuttgart and you live in Germany aswell, right?



ALAN	6th November 2013 - 10:40 AM Post #75
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