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Western Kurdistan (Rojava) \| Articles; All news related to WK etc...
Topic Started: 18th November 2012 - 07:31 PM (1,223,214 Views)
Kurdistano	10th July 2014 - 08:15 PM Post #9826
Serdar Posts: 2,743 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	Zinar 10th July 2014 - 07:11 PM ALAN 10th July 2014 - 01:15 PM PYD selfishness is 1stly to blame, with Saleh Muslim latest call on Kurdish state in Bashur makes it hard for KRG to help Rojava... KRG offered help many times in the past but the answer was "we dont need help from outsiders" this came directly from Saleh Muslim, KRG doesn't need help from Rojava bcos KRG was established in 1991, Rojava needs help from KRG, this is a fact not fanboism, so PYD just take the help, listen to KRG and implement what is it that they ask you to do then you will get supplies, ammo and etc.... co-operations cant be built on nothing specially if the two Governments have different ideologies on each side... and also it makes things worst when PYD has rivalry with PDK bcos only PDK has border with Roajava. while PYD goes to Suli etc but they need to sort their shizz out in Hewlêr not Suli. When Peshmerga took over the recently reunited areas leadership of Qandil offered military help, i was almost laughing at this, Peshmerga has way much more experience and heavier weapons, but beforehand when Peshmerga offered help in Rojava it was rejected... i think PYD policies are more childish than PDK's.... im speaking as a neutral guy... as im no PYD supporter nor PDK's either... matter fact i no longer support any party and just more of an 'observer'. This one party rule of PYD has brought it into the corner its in by its own hands.... So you think it should be like Bashur? 2 parties 2 different peshmerga armies that did birakuji during the 90s? YPG is the national army of WK and if someone wants to help them then he/she should join YPG and not a different milita/force. Also i would say the kurdish fighters in Aleppo city are much more experienced than PKK, PUK and PDK they are the first kurds that are fighting in real urban warfare unlike other kurdish groups which only fought in the mountains (i know PUK fought in Kerkûk once). You know that this is all excuse. They don't care about unified army or the brakuj what this is all about, is the PKK/PYD not willing to share power.



Karker	10th July 2014 - 08:41 PM Post #9827
Biji şoreşa Rojava Posts: 776 Group: Senior Members Member #400 Joined: Apr 15, 2014 Mood None	Kurdistano 10th July 2014 - 08:15 PM Zinar 10th July 2014 - 07:11 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep You know that this is all excuse. They don't care about unified army or the brakuj what this is all about, is the PKK/PYD not willing to share power. That's just a lie put forth by KDP. What do you think the KCK is about? Why do you think YPG is co operating with Christian militias in Rojava? Edited by Karker, 10th July 2014 - 08:41 PM.



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 08:51 PM Post #9828
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	Karker 10th July 2014 - 08:41 PM Kurdistano 10th July 2014 - 08:15 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep That's just a lie put forth by KDP. What do you think the KCK is about? Why do you think YPG is co operating with Christian militias in Rojava? You're comparing apples to oranges. The Christians are a small irrelevant force that is fully willing to operate under the PYD, and that is not the meaning of power sharing. This has been discussed too much, and the fact still remains valid whether people like it or not. The ideological gap is far too great.



Karker	10th July 2014 - 08:52 PM Post #9829
Biji şoreşa Rojava Posts: 776 Group: Senior Members Member #400 Joined: Apr 15, 2014 Mood None	AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 08:51 PM Karker 10th July 2014 - 08:41 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep You're comparing apples to oranges. The Christians are a small irrelevant force that is fully willing to operate under the PYD, and that is not the meaning of power sharing. This has been discussed too much, and the fact still remains valid whether people like it or not. The ideological gap is far too great. You're in denial. Do you think Jabhat Al Akrad is also willing to operate under the PYD?



Zinar	10th July 2014 - 09:00 PM Post #9830
Xorteki Kurdistani Posts: 1,861 Group: Senior Members Member #318 Joined: Dec 20, 2013 Mood Relaxed	First powershare with PKK in bashur then they'll gladly share Rojava with you people in this forum think WK is Barzanis back garden Edited by Zinar, 10th July 2014 - 09:01 PM.



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 09:07 PM Post #9831
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	Karker 10th July 2014 - 08:52 PM AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 08:51 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep You're in denial. Do you think Jabhat Al Akrad is also willing to operate under the PYD? Again, wrong assumptions. It is widely believed that JAK is just the PYD wing of the FSA. Similarly, the group formed conveniently enough to operate in areas that are not exactly in the "Rojava map" such as neighbourhoods of alepo and so on, simply to defend Kurds. The deluded people are those that can't put aside emotions to properly analyse the PKK ideology and compare that to KDP ideology. They clash on almost all decisions.



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 09:10 PM Post #9832
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	Zinar 10th July 2014 - 09:00 PM First powershare with PKK in bashur then they'll gladly share Rojava with you people in this forum think WK is Barzanis back garden The parties that are not allowed free operation inside Rojava are from Rojava. They are not Bashuris, and neither are their forces. They are all completely WKurds.



Zinar	10th July 2014 - 09:12 PM Post #9833
Xorteki Kurdistani Posts: 1,861 Group: Senior Members Member #318 Joined: Dec 20, 2013 Mood Relaxed	AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 09:10 PM Zinar 10th July 2014 - 09:00 PM First powershare with PKK in bashur then they'll gladly share Rojava with you people in this forum think WK is Barzanis back garden The parties that are not allowed free operation inside Rojava are from Rojava. They are not Bashuris, and neither are their forces. They are all completely WKurds. What about PCDK? Your such a hypocrite i swear man im laughing my ass of right now



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 09:20 PM Post #9834
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	ALAN 10th July 2014 - 01:15 PM PYD selfishness is 1stly to blame, with Saleh Muslim latest call on Kurdish state in Bashur makes it hard for KRG to help Rojava... KRG offered help many times in the past but the answer was "we dont need help from outsiders" this came directly from Saleh Muslim, KRG doesn't need help from Rojava bcos KRG was established in 1991, Rojava needs help from KRG, this is a fact not fanboism, so PYD just take the help, listen to KRG and implement what is it that they ask you to do then you will get supplies, ammo and etc.... co-operations cant be built on nothing specially if the two Governments have different ideologies on each side... and also it makes things worst when PYD has rivalry with PDK bcos only PDK has border with Roajava. while PYD goes to Suli etc but they need to sort their shizz out in Hewlêr not Suli. When Peshmerga took over the recently reunited areas leadership of Qandil offered military help, i was almost laughing at this, Peshmerga has way much more experience and heavier weapons, but beforehand when Peshmerga offered help in Rojava it was rejected... i think PYD policies are more childish than PDK's.... im speaking as a neutral guy... as im no PYD supporter nor PDK's either... matter fact i no longer support any party and just more of an 'observer'. This one party rule of PYD has brought it into the corner its in by its own hands.... I'm glad you're finally saying it out loud. Militarily speaking, the Peshmerga is a large, organised force with a good structure and continuous supplies. This is recognised by Western and Regional powers, which is why they want to pressure us into taking ISIS on. The idea that the PKK/PYD can help the Peshmerga is ludicrous because they are clearly over their head with ISIS at the moment. Let me remind you what the PYD said when the Peshmerga offered help in the crucial time of 2012. He added, “Peshmerga forces are our brothers and relatives and we do not have any problems with them. But Syrian Kurdistan does not need assistance from the Peshmarga forces at this point and if the need arises we will ask for their help.” So, lets assume that they didn't need help at the time, even though they did. Don't they need help now? I am surprised that people will blame this on the KDP. Let the PYD issue an official request, and if the KDP turns it down, then we blame them.



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 09:21 PM Post #9835
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	Zinar 10th July 2014 - 09:12 PM AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 09:10 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep What about PCDK? Your such a hypocrite i swear man im laughing my ass of right now They were shut down after the PYD arrested KDPs officials. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a kid. You don't understand the dynamics, so there is no point of me wasting my there on this.



Zagros	10th July 2014 - 09:27 PM Post #9836
Serdar Posts: 2,894 Group: Elite Member #235 Joined: Sep 8, 2013 Mood None	ALAN 10th July 2014 - 01:15 PM PYD selfishness is 1stly to blame, with Saleh Muslim latest call on Kurdish state in Bashur makes it hard for KRG to help Rojava... KRG offered help many times in the past but the answer was "we dont need help from outsiders" this came directly from Saleh Muslim, KRG doesn't need help from Rojava bcos KRG was established in 1991, Rojava needs help from KRG, this is a fact not fanboism, so PYD just take the help, listen to KRG and implement what is it that they ask you to do then you will get supplies, ammo and etc.... co-operations cant be built on nothing specially if the two Governments have different ideologies on each side... and also it makes things worst when PYD has rivalry with PDK bcos only PDK has border with Roajava. while PYD goes to Suli etc but they need to sort their shizz out in Hewlêr not Suli. When Peshmerga took over the recently reunited areas leadership of Qandil offered military help, i was almost laughing at this, Peshmerga has way much more experience and heavier weapons, but beforehand when Peshmerga offered help in Rojava it was rejected... i think PYD policies are more childish than PDK's.... im speaking as a neutral guy... as im no PYD supporter nor PDK's either... matter fact i no longer support any party and just more of an 'observer'. This one party rule of PYD has brought it into the corner its in by its own hands.... Maybe I united leadership will be good choice. There would be one ruling party in Rojava with PYD and bashuri or other leaders, and YPG would be the same. For example one co-chairman from Bashur and one from the PYD. I support my idea.



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 09:29 PM Post #9837
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	Zagros 10th July 2014 - 09:27 PM ALAN 10th July 2014 - 01:15 PM PYD selfishness is 1stly to blame, with Saleh Muslim latest call on Kurdish state in Bashur makes it hard for KRG to help Rojava... KRG offered help many times in the past but the answer was "we dont need help from outsiders" this came directly from Saleh Muslim, KRG doesn't need help from Rojava bcos KRG was established in 1991, Rojava needs help from KRG, this is a fact not fanboism, so PYD just take the help, listen to KRG and implement what is it that they ask you to do then you will get supplies, ammo and etc.... co-operations cant be built on nothing specially if the two Governments have different ideologies on each side... and also it makes things worst when PYD has rivalry with PDK bcos only PDK has border with Roajava. while PYD goes to Suli etc but they need to sort their shizz out in Hewlêr not Suli. When Peshmerga took over the recently reunited areas leadership of Qandil offered military help, i was almost laughing at this, Peshmerga has way much more experience and heavier weapons, but beforehand when Peshmerga offered help in Rojava it was rejected... i think PYD policies are more childish than PDK's.... im speaking as a neutral guy... as im no PYD supporter nor PDK's either... matter fact i no longer support any party and just more of an 'observer'. This one party rule of PYD has brought it into the corner its in by its own hands.... Maybe I united leadership will be good choice. There would be one ruling party in Rojava with PYD and bashuri or other leaders, and YPG would be the same. For example one co-chairman from Bashur and one from the PYD. I support my idea. That was the Hewlêr agreement... "In the Erbil meeting, the Syrian Kurds decided to take a unified stand against Assad, set up a Supreme Kurdish Council and form "popular defense forces" to control the region."



Zagros	10th July 2014 - 10:06 PM Post #9838
Serdar Posts: 2,894 Group: Elite Member #235 Joined: Sep 8, 2013 Mood None	The Islamic State has taken control over the villages of Abdi, Kwi, Kendal, Kri and Sor in the eastern countryside Ayn Al Arab city after withdrawal of YPG fighters from these villages, where the villages witnessed violent clashes between the two parties. The number of YPG fighters who died since yesterday has risen to 18, including 14 fighters died in clashes took place in the villages of Abdi, Kwi, Wakri, Sor and Kindal, 8 bodies did not have any traces of gunshot or shrapnel. The doctors are confused about the kind of weapon that was used. İn addition to, 4 fighters died when a Tunisian suiside bomber from the Islamic State blew himself in a booby trapped car near the cement plant in northeast of Ayn Esa town in the countryside of Al Raqqa. The Islamic State took control 6 days ago over the villages of Zor Maghar and Al Bayyada in the countryside of Ayn Al Arab ( Kobani) in Aleppo province which led to the death of 16 YPG fighters, including 4 female fighters from the Units of Protect Women. The Islamic State fighters mutilated corpses of fighters from YPG, where The corpses were hanged in one of the squares , after having a tour in Jarablos area, in attendance of some children. On 21th last March, the Islamic State threatened, at Friday sermon in the mosques of Al Raqqa, that it will join Ayn Al Arab to the Islamic State territory.



Zinar	10th July 2014 - 10:19 PM Post #9839
Xorteki Kurdistani Posts: 1,861 Group: Senior Members Member #318 Joined: Dec 20, 2013 Mood Relaxed	AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 09:21 PM Zinar 10th July 2014 - 09:12 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep They were shut down after the PYD arrested KDPs officials. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a kid. You don't understand the dynamics, so there is no point of me wasting my there on this. You dont understand geo politics and im studying in a respected university so even If i write non sense its the best non sense in the world. Are you realizing your ego makes you look like a clown? Also whats the reason your insulting me for? Would you have the guts too call me kid face to face? So before taking it too a personal level think twice.



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 10:41 PM Post #9840
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	Zinar 10th July 2014 - 10:19 PM AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 09:21 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep You dont understand geo politics and im studying in a respected university so even If i write non sense its the best non sense in the world. Are you realizing your ego makes you look like a clown? Also whats the reason your insulting me for? Would you have the guts too call me kid face to face? So before taking it too a personal level think twice. Your post just proved just how much of a kid you're. I wouldn't dream of telling you that in real life and risk you turning into the hulk I know how imaginative kids can be, and I don't want no trouble Mr Hulk. Studying has nothing to do it. You really don't understand the dynamics, as your posts prove. Anyway this will be my last reply to you.



Zagros	10th July 2014 - 10:54 PM Post #9841
Serdar Posts: 2,894 Group: Elite Member #235 Joined: Sep 8, 2013 Mood None	AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 10:41 PM Zinar 10th July 2014 - 10:19 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Your post just proved just how much of a kid you're. I wouldn't dream of telling you that in real life and risk you turning into the hulk I know how imaginative kids can be, and I don't want no trouble Mr Hulk. Studying has nothing to do it. You really don't understand the dynamics, as your posts prove. Anyway this will be my last reply to you. Don't take it badly, but calling him a kid is really hurtful & disdainful.



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 10:56 PM Post #9842
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	Zagros 10th July 2014 - 10:54 PM AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 10:41 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Don't take it badly, but calling him a kid is really hurtful & disdainful. He is a teenager, and so a kid. We've all been kids, and I wasn't any different at his age. He doesn't understand the politics, that's not an insult, but facts.



Zagros	10th July 2014 - 11:05 PM Post #9843
Serdar Posts: 2,894 Group: Elite Member #235 Joined: Sep 8, 2013 Mood None	AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 10:56 PM Zagros 10th July 2014 - 10:54 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep He is a teenager, and so a kid. We've all been kids, and I wasn't any different at his age. He doesn't understand the politics, that's not an insult, but facts. I know he is a teenager, but he ha has nice nickname, Zinar. I'm not going to write more about this.



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 11:06 PM Post #9844
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	Zagros 10th July 2014 - 11:05 PM AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 10:56 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep I know he is a teenager, but he ha has nice nickname, Zinar. I'm not going to write more about this. Then don't. You're not obliged to get involved in everything. You're just a member.



Zagros	10th July 2014 - 11:12 PM Post #9845
Serdar Posts: 2,894 Group: Elite Member #235 Joined: Sep 8, 2013 Mood None	AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 11:06 PM Zagros 10th July 2014 - 11:05 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Then don't. You're not obliged to get involved in everything. You're just a member. I just wrote my opinion.



AlanJunior	10th July 2014 - 11:16 PM Post #9846
Liberal Posts: 2,532 Group: Moderators Member #40 Joined: Jan 20, 2013 Mood None	Zagros 10th July 2014 - 11:12 PM AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 11:06 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep I just wrote my opinion. As I said, you don't need to get involved in everything.



ALAN	10th July 2014 - 11:20 PM Post #9847
Posts: 24,809 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Nov 16, 2012 Mood Cool	No I don't want 2 armies in Rojava but when KRG offers "help" don't reject it and call it "outsider" help...



Zagros	10th July 2014 - 11:30 PM Post #9848
Serdar Posts: 2,894 Group: Elite Member #235 Joined: Sep 8, 2013 Mood None	AlanJunior 10th July 2014 - 11:16 PM Zagros 10th July 2014 - 11:12 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep As I said, you don't need to get involved in everything. I think I rarely speak about my opinion, and I don't want to involve anything. It wasn't a problem anywhere.



Serhildan	11th July 2014 - 12:18 AM Post #9849
Gerilla Posts: 601 Group: Elite Member #139 Joined: May 1, 2013 Mood None	Manbej: ISIS forcing residents to donate blood, because of the large number of wounded in the hospital, who were injured in Kobani.



Şirnex	11th July 2014 - 12:51 AM Post #9850
Pêşkar Posts: 759 Group: Elite Member #10 Joined: Nov 21, 2012	all kurds who want help rojava should join YPG. we dont need a second militia under PDK-S .. most YPG fighter are not loyal to any party, they only defend their homes and families



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