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| [ti]SW[/ti]YPG; Yekîneyên Parastina Gel - Western Kurdistan army | |
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| Topic Started: 25th November 2012 - 11:14 AM (1,149,660 Views) | |
| Alasha | 17th November 2015 - 09:13 PM Post #2176 |
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This most be one of the worst statements i have seen in KSS history. Might i ask you why you think that Ala renging is not the national flag og Kurdistan? Do you know which flag was used before PKK made total control over Rojava? Do you even know what you are saying? Do you even ahve any respect for the Kurdish identity? |
 
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| kurdo82 | 17th November 2015 - 10:11 PM Post #2177 |
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the problem of the majority of those kurds from Bakur, supporting the PKK and the diaspora is that they define their identity through their hate towards the turks, the truth is that they dont have any ideas about kurdish history or kurdish culture or even kurdish language. The media tools of certain political groups are working day and night to denounce other kurdish media to the point that they ignoe everthing instead of using all the media outlets to filter the truth or right information out of it, media freedom was created therefore. Then they create slogans like "jeder der nicht mit der PKK ist, der ist ein Hurensohn" ( Everybody who s not with the PKK is a son of the bitch ) trying to push out everybody and occupying the kurdish theme. The PKK has forced its rule through TEV DEM in Rojava and is doing everything in their power to destroy the kurdish groups there, calling them arab lovers while they are the ones working with arabs and call the other kurdish groups ISIS supporter and are even trying to denounce the kurdish flag to the point that they attack fellow kurds and the YPG, YPE... are by the majority filled by kurds from Bakur while a lot of rojava kurds simply refuse to fight for them, forcing them to rely heavily on arabs and they simply refuse or ignore any history prior to 2013. Go the south kurdistan Peshmerga topic and look at his reactions to Tuz Khurmatu incident, the only thing mustafa brabus was angered with was the shia militia were supportive of the MHP and thze onlyinstances they react with hate and rage is when they see a turkish flag, no matter why and how while they have no issue with the iraqi, syrian, or iranian flag and and are even justify the decision to set up syrian forces. here s the big flaw in their thinking, they ignore kurdish history and therefore misinterpret the reasons for the hatred towards the kurds by the arabs and turks, these people do not like the kurdish movement because this movement has called for a seperate kurdish state and demands the rights we are entitled to, knowing fully that arabs and turks oppose the idea but that doesnt matter, because its not about brotherhood but about having the same rights. They have forgotten the reasons for the hatred and grow up only with the hatred they are confronted with, while they do not grasp the reasons for it, and instead of stiffening their belief, they try to win over arabs and turks by dropping one demand after another and ask for being accepted by arabs and turks It the end its only about dancing govend and dohol u zurna and some kurdish language education. Of course with only these demands, arabs and turks wont have an issue but thats the reason why the kurdish natioinal movement has started in the first place. The ignorance of the kurdish history has lead them to the wrong conclusion.
Edited by kurdo82, 17th November 2015 - 10:14 PM.
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | 17th November 2015 - 10:16 PM Post #2178 |
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Nope I didn't know that and it's hard to believe and as some one said on here leave the past behind a modern flag is better |
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| Alasha | 17th November 2015 - 11:35 PM Post #2179 |
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oh boy, its just getting worser. Would love to hear from you who is giving you Kurdistani education.... |
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| ALAN | 17th November 2015 - 11:45 PM Post #2180 |
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What is wrong with the past? why should we choose a new flag? for what purpose and what possible reason!!?? sorry but not for Bashur, we have this Ala Rangin passed onto us from Ararat republic, then Mahabad republic and now KRG.... anyone who calls Ala Rangin a Barzani flag is a blind fool... Made by Amen 3ali Badr xan in 1919    Ala Rangin in Mandela house  Kurdistan flag might not be a 100% copy of Ararat and Mahabat republic flags but it does resemble them them with slight changes while YPG flag for Rojava looks like Nigerian flag... it could be a gesture from PKK for the support Mandela has shown to Apo... |
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| ALAN | Yesterday, 12:04 AM Post #2181 |
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For more about this go here 1st national Kurdish flag |
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| kurdishpatriot | Yesterday, 12:57 AM Post #2182 |
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ala rengin is a flag which shows that kurds are proud of their pre-islamic culture and religion. That we have existed way before islam, that our culture is ancient and still preserved till this day. Persia (before the islamic revolution) did the same. her biji ala rengin 
Edited by kurdishpatriot, Yesterday, 12:58 AM.
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | Yesterday, 1:21 AM Post #2183 |
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I didn't ask a history lesson in just telling you that flag had no meaning to us and I've never once scene it used in my village in elbistan Pazarcik maras many have died in my village just for being Kurdish, PKK even do parties in front of the army checkpoints , the flags have emotional history ,I'm just saying the SK flag the sun in the middle has connections to yezidis and not all Kurds is all I'm saying when we see SK fight for us NK we might accept |
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| kurdishpatriot | Yesterday, 1:23 AM Post #2184 |
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All kurds have connections with yezidis because thats where they get their culture from. Why do you think in our language the word roj is used so often? ROJHELAT, ROJAVA, ROJ BASH etc. |
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| kurdo82 | Yesterday, 1:24 AM Post #2185 |
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we should change our national flag with a party flag and thats a modern flag ? heval kurdish identity is not an empty glas with which you can fill with what you want. If you are true kurd, accept yopur flag and learn your languege, i am sure you dint speak kurdish or do you ? heval te kurdi fam deke ?
Edited by kurdo82, Yesterday, 1:26 AM.
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| kurdo82 | Yesterday, 1:28 AM Post #2186 |
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do you know why, because the turks made the kurds forget about that, turkish assimilation policy is a disaster and people like you are the result of it. This the kurdish flag, please stop to spread this bullshit and learn about your history.
Edited by kurdo82, Yesterday, 1:28 AM.
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| Hazirmagron | Yesterday, 1:29 AM Post #2187 |
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If you're not interested in your own history you might as well drop your kurdish identity and align yourself as an assimilated turk. If our history doesn't make up our identity then what does? A flag isn't something you just change for the sake of modernizing or because a new party was formed. Especially not the kurdish which holds a lot of contextual messages about the kurdish struggle. |
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | Yesterday, 1:31 AM Post #2188 |
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Okey it's all bullshit we are all yezidis |
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| kurdishpatriot | Yesterday, 1:48 AM Post #2189 |
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we used to be before arabs made us convert. |
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| ALAN | Yesterday, 1:49 AM Post #2190 |
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He is missing the point and been silly stubborn 
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| kurdo82 | Yesterday, 1:49 AM Post #2191 |
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i am a man thinking in categories and i follow principles in my life, and men like mustafa brabus , normally between 15 to 25 filled with rage against the turkish state use their kurdish origin only as a mean of protest, they create their own spare identity and they think they can define it the way they want, only after they grow older, they slowly start to realize what it means to be a kurd. The ideologists in between the PKK do everything to use their rage, thats the fuel they burn on and they start spreadin stories. The result are guys like mustafa brabus who are as you witness here yourself against what kurdistan stands for and every kurd accepting this only because they are kurds aswell will only strenghten them in their belief, thats the reason i started to refuse them categorically. I had enough experience here in Germany with them. This is a real danger, a far bigger danger then what enemies can achieve, a by product of the turkish assimilation policy which failed to turkify them, instead they have created a generation of young kurds who are no more in touch with their language and history and are at the same time angry at the turkish state because they know that turkey stole their identity from them. Its the duty of all kurds to show them and explain them what it means to be a kurd and there s no need to simply forget about all our history and leave a cartoon of our identity left. His yezidi talk shows his blindless and disrepect toward kurdish history. Kurds were not muslims and the flag is a symbol of resistance of these attempts to force islam on us, i am pretty sure that he s not religious and his yezidi reference is only an excuse for his refusal to accept the flag.
Edited by kurdo82, Yesterday, 1:52 AM.
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| Ali Alqosh | Yesterday, 2:01 AM Post #2192 |
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Mustafa we are from the same city. What's the name of your village? Mustafa that flag is the kurdish flag and I doubt you are muslim. You're alevi, no? So am I and we are more related to ezidis than you think. Well let me introduce this flag to you. This flag is the flag of Kurdistan. It was introduced in the early 1900s and has been accepted by several kurdish national mivements at that time. It was then used in the Ararat republic (Komara Agirî), then it was accepted by the Mehabad republic. Today this flag hangs in the home of Celadet Alk Bedirxan's daughter in Hewler. This exact flag, with slight changes but same colours and design. All other flags used in Agiri have all been very similliar to what we know as Ala rengin. Today it is recognized and accepted by everbody except the PKK. Babo it's not your task to tell nonassimilated kurds what is kurdish and what is not. I doubt you can speak kurdish, I can't. Although I'm trying to learn it and have been taking classes on my spare time. If you want to go after what flag was waved in your village then so might us all and we all would have different flags. Dersim would have their flag, Kochgiris would have one flag etc. Do do you understand me now? 
Edited by Ali Alqosh, Yesterday, 2:11 AM.
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| kurdo82 | Yesterday, 2:16 AM Post #2193 |
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bra, i have grown up in germany and i spent all my time with bakuris, its the same no matter from where a kurd comes, you instantly recognize him through his behaviour,sometimes its really frightening All these talks about bakuri or bashur is created to secure sphere of influences and a modern variant of the good old kurdish tribalism, no matter if hes alevi, sunni, shia or yezidi, i have never felt the differences, one time i went to a yezidi houshold and i met the grandma, i felt like being in Kalar again, thats here my mother is from with the only difference that it was outside moscow. One time i went to a kurdish household in germany and they were from konya and you know what they built in their garden, a kurdish style bakery with fresh bread.
Edited by kurdo82, Yesterday, 2:17 AM.
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | Yesterday, 2:16 AM Post #2194 |
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Wow everyone talking bout me it hurts 😭 I said about Kurds being killed and your saying that's bullshit shows your just prick don't you know maras katliami I swear I don't even see you as the Kurds I know , yes I'm alevi and I live in London most of my friends parents came Europe England and France we are all from Pazarcik , elbistan cicekalan koyu, I know more then 1000 people in London my age who don't speak Kurdish but we idolise PKK a lot , we chase Turks with pkk flags in the streets of London and Paris but what I see in Germany and Sweden is more KRG Kurds |
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| kurdo82 | Yesterday, 2:29 AM Post #2195 |
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i cant understand what you mean, i do not know turkish, maybe you mean the maras massacre but where s the relation to the current discussion ? I have expected nothing else from you, once you realize that the essence of being kurdish is more then simply beating up turks, we maybe able to communicate again. Em kurdin, we are kurds, we do not have to follow an ideology to qualify ourself as kurds and now we are at stage two, you try to exclude us from kurdish identity because we do not fit your defintion. 
Edited by kurdo82, Yesterday, 2:30 AM.
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| MUSTAFA_BRABUS | Yesterday, 2:34 AM Post #2196 |
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After the krg do something about Turkey I will think bout it , enough talking bout me BIJI YPG !!!!
Edited by MUSTAFA_BRABUS, Yesterday, 2:35 AM.
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| Ali Alqosh | Yesterday, 2:40 AM Post #2197 |
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Mustafa bra I know about the Marash massacre, one of my relatives died during the massacre. You need to learn source criticism (kaynak eleştiri in case you didn't understand). Just beacuse PKK say something doesn't make it right. The flag of Kurdistan is ala rengin and I am from Malatya and my dad was born in Gurgum and I can tell you this Gurgumis teach their children turkish and even though that I can't speak kurdish I've never felt so good in my life when I was walking down the streets of Tatvan where they speak kurdish. All I need to do is learn kurdish and I can identify as a kurd properly. I suggest you learn kurdish history and read about what blood we have given for that flag and our language. That flag was used by PKK too untill 1992 and they even called their sherkers for peshmerga. Keko min deh caran go te dîsa jî fam nekir, ala rengîn alaye hemû Kurdistanê ye, alayê hemû kurda ye. Kurdo82: Bra you are right, us assimilated ones that are "patriotic" are filled with rage (especially the youngsters in europe) and it is almost unexplainable. Because they killed an entire kurdish dialect in just these areas (Gurgum, Malatya, Adiyaman/Samsur, Sewaz, Kochgiri). An entire dialect, wntire families and entire kurdish traditions that will soon die with the older generation passing away..
Edited by Ali Alqosh, Yesterday, 2:48 AM.
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| Şirnex | Yesterday, 3:04 AM Post #2198 |
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kurds from marash are not patriotic, but marashis from diaspora are either apocis or kurdistanis 
Edited by Şirnex, Yesterday, 3:04 AM.
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| Azadi | Yesterday, 4:01 AM Post #2199 |
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Scarlet Speedster
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Don't resort to insulting people by calling them "pr*cks" I've given you a warning, next time it'll be a block. |
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| Karker | Yesterday, 4:13 AM Post #2200 |
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I live in London too if u go chasing Turks next time invite me yeah |
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