Shirwan

4th February 2013 - 01:57 AM

Alan

4th February 2013 - 01:51 AM

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Atleast I'm not accusing someone of lying, and there is no information on Mandali election vote, but I'm sure you think they voted for Arab parties as Faylis are Arabs.

Alan

4th February 2013 - 02:28 AM

Shirwan

4th February 2013 - 01:57 AM

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again more of your word put into my mouth . i already stated that most kurds from there have left to KRG "lately" and some were deported during saddam which should have made you understand i was referring to the city deserted to arabs i didnt say kurds are majority there and are voting for arabs!! if you can find a map of 2010 elections you will see that majority are arabs and would have voted for milki, while the minority kurds there would have voted for KRG. and feylis are arabs ? really? grow up jj this is not RBK no more. no need for these kind of silly talks

FeyliKurd

4th February 2013 - 02:35 AM

But heval, you must try to see it from our perspective as well. Many of us Feylis have friends and relatives in this city and therefore it becomes very sensitive when someone says that "the city is lost to the Arabs"...

I'm not saying you're wrong heval ... Maybe the city is lost. Just trying to explain how some of us feel about it.

FeyliKurd

4th February 2013 - 02:35 AM

But heval, you must try to see it from our perspective as well. Many of us Feylis have friends and relatives in this city and therefore it becomes very sensitive when someone says that "the city is lost to the Arabs"...

I'm not saying you're wrong heval ... Maybe the city is lost. Just trying to explain how some of us feel about it.

Quote:

 

Kurds vanish in Jalawla

The Kurdish Globe

By Rawaz Koyee--Erbil

Locals request Kurdistan's Peshmarga forces
Kurdish residents in the disputed areas of Jalawla and Sadiya suffer, they say, as they are targeted and fear for their lives. Many families have left the area. Local Kurdish officials asked for help from the Peshmarga forces.

As with controversial Kirkuk, Kurds claim Jalawla and Sadiya as part of the Kurdistan Region. Yet the areas still witness continuous demographic changes, rising Kurds worry.
"When I left the town, there were about only 7,000 people; now it is more than 80,000," Adnan Shahab said after returning to his homeland after 35 years. He is astonished at this increase in population.

Shahab remembers the early 1970s in his town before he left the country. At that time "nearly 80 percent of the residents were Kurds, alongside Arab families who were living in tents four kilometers away from the town center," he remarked.

Many Arab families were encouraged by the former Iraqi regime to settle in the area while Kurds were deported under the so-called operation of Arabization.

The area is included under the rule of the Iraqi Constitution Article 140 which returns residents not from the area to their original areas and then the people vote on whether to be part of Kurdistan Region.

However, Arabs currently buy 10 times more houses in Jalawla than Kurds do, a real estate dealer told The Kurdish Globe on the condition of anonymity, due to security reasons.

More than 1,000 Kurdish families have left Jalawla since 2003, fleeing the threat of violence, while three or four times this number of Arab families have settled there, said Jalawla Mayor Anwer Hussein, a Kurd.

"You will not find a single Kurd in the town in the coming year, every day, two or three Kurdish families leave," warned the mayor, asking the Kurdistan Region Government to take an immediate stance.

He explained that Kurds leave because of threats by Al Qaeda and Naqshabandi armed groups.

The Kurds had a safer life when the Kurdish Peshmarga forces were in the area in 2008, according to locals. The Kurdish troops were forced out because of disagreements between Erbil and Baghdad.

"It was a historic mistake, as it left the Kurds as easy prey for terrorist attacks," said Hussein.

A delegation from Kurdistan Parliament visited Khanaqin on August 10 to investigate the situation in Jalawla and Sadiya.

Salar Mahmoud, a member of the delegation, told the Globe the conditions are getting worse for the Kurds in Jalawla and Sadiya. "In our report to Parliament, we will ask to return the Kurdish Peshmarga forces to the disputed areas," he said.


Iraqi forces

A Kurdish member of the Iraqi Parliament accused some officers in the Iraqi army of being involved in the violence against the Kurds of the area.

The Jalawla mayor declined to comment on this issue, but he complained the 2,000 Iraqi troops deployed were not able to restore security to his town. "The coordination between some of the Iraqi officers with the armed groups made the people here not to trust the Iraqi forces anymore," he further added.

Journalist Irfan Dawdi, who frequently visits Jalawla, explained that the Iraqi army soldiers are also targets, which is why they cannot always act decisively.

"One of my friends was shot only 30 meters away from an Iraqi forces, vehicle. When I asked whether they will arrest the shooter, they said they have no authority to arrest anyone, they did not dare to approach him," the journalist says of what he witnessed.

Alan

4th February 2013 - 03:15 AM

no hard feelings on my end, you were thinking about the whole argument in the different way i started realized it after your angry posts lol.

but that article shows kurds are becoming a minority in those two feyli towns as they dont fall under KRG unfortunately , by logic how can such towns which are on the outskirts of KRG turn out this way while Mendeli so far away fro KRG can hold its Kurdish majority up? arabs have been pouring into it like crazy and there is no Kurdish forces to stop it like they do to Khanaqin and Kirkuk.

after milki ordered Kurdish flags to be lowered from Khanqain which "falls" under KRG, he made Kurdish flags removed from Jalawla, Sadiya and Mendeli, then a kurdsat tv crew went to Mendeli and they were stopped by the local police in Mendeli for like 2 hours till Talabani intervened, these 3 towns which are the only 3 Kurdish towns that do not fall under KRG, Hawija is Kurdish too but has now been lost to arabs and you will see 0 kurdish flags there without even milki asking for them to be removed. and since there is no Pesh there to stop arabization, it will get worst day by day to a point of no return.

i dont know what the chances are to save Mendeli from Ilam, but for now Ilam too is occupied, (not persionaized) but occupied dont go all crazy on me for this one too :hi: