[ti]BT[/ti]Ancestors of the Kurds

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[ti]BT[/ti]Ancestors of the Kurds
Topic Started: 1st January 2013 - 11:36 AM (40,121 Views)
the SUN child	4th October 2013 - 04:41 AM Post #51
ZAGROS-ARYAN Posts: 2,776 Group: Senior Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 2, 2013 Mood None	removed 4th October 2013 - 04:34 AM they could make so many nice movies/tv shows about our old empires and kurdish mythicism and stuff Kurdistan = land of Gods. The story of Abraham or even Noah also takes place in Kurdistan. Darren Aronofsky made a movie about Noah.



the SUN child	4th October 2013 - 04:45 AM Post #52
ZAGROS-ARYAN Posts: 2,776 Group: Senior Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 2, 2013 Mood None	BTW, this Kassite seal has Sumerian writings. Kassites were Iranic people. I'm sure that the Sumerians were ancestors of proto-Iranic peoples... Also check the Sumerian cuneiform for Anu at the Kassite seal! Sumerian cuneiform for Anu same as this well-known Yezidi picture: Example of the Sumerian writing: Edited by the SUN child, 4th October 2013 - 05:03 AM.



Azamat	4th October 2013 - 04:55 AM Post #53
Posts: 851 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: Dec 9, 2012 Mood None	removed 4th October 2013 - 04:34 AM they could make so many nice movies/tv shows about our old empires and kurdish mythicism and stuff What "empires"? If you're referring to the Median Empire, Kurds as an ethnic group had not yet formed at that time. We had some kingdoms that covered large parts of Kurdistan but never an Empire, unless you're including the Ayyubids which I don't. Edited by Azamat, 4th October 2013 - 05:47 AM.



Kurdistano	4th October 2013 - 04:59 AM Post #54
Posts: 3,155 Group: Elite Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	Azamat 4th October 2013 - 04:55 AM removed 4th October 2013 - 04:34 AM they could make so many nice movies/tv shows about our old empires and kurdish mythicism and stuff What "empires"? If you're referring to the Median Empire, Kurds as an ethnic group had not yet formed at that time. We had some kingdoms that covered large parts of Kurdistan but never an Empire. We not but our ancestors did. Also you should not be that quite sure, the term Kurd,Krd,Kur has much more history than any of us can think about. It appears throughout the world and has connections to Indo Europeans as well ancient empires of the Middle East. Edited by Kurdistano, 4th October 2013 - 04:59 AM.



jjmuneer	4th October 2013 - 05:00 AM Post #55
Posts: 9,028 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Kurdistano 4th October 2013 - 04:59 AM Azamat 4th October 2013 - 04:55 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep We not but our ancestors did. Also you should not be that quite sure, the term Kurd,Krd,Kur has much more history than any of us can think about. It appears throughout the world and has connections to Indo Europeans as well ancient empires of the Middle East. Kur means 'son' though.



Azamat	4th October 2013 - 05:12 AM Post #56
Posts: 851 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: Dec 9, 2012 Mood None	Kurdistano 4th October 2013 - 04:59 AM Azamat 4th October 2013 - 04:55 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep We not but our ancestors did. Also you should not be that quite sure, the term Kurd,Krd,Kur has much more history than any of us can think about. It appears throughout the world and has connections to Indo Europeans as well ancient empires of the Middle East. Kurdistano, some months back I told you about Garnik Asatrian's 2009 paper "Prolegomena to the study of Kurds." In it he claims that the term "Kurd" or its derivatives pretty much disappeared for many centuries as an ethnic denominator, that it only began being applied to the Kurds very recently and that the people known by any of the terms similar to "Kurd" in antiquity were therefore not our ancestors. Izady says that the term 'Kurd' appears in texts as meaning "nomads" or "tent-dweller" because the people known as "Kurds" in antiquity migrated to other regions and assimilated into local communities there, and that the term 'Kurd' always remained an ethnic denominator but I think his argument is pretty speculative and weak. Edited by Azamat, 4th October 2013 - 05:17 AM.



MedianKurd	4th October 2013 - 05:12 AM Post #57
Posts: 281 Group: Elite Member #13 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	Azamat 4th October 2013 - 04:55 AM removed 4th October 2013 - 04:34 AM they could make so many nice movies/tv shows about our old empires and kurdish mythicism and stuff What "empires"? If you're referring to the Median Empire, Kurds as an ethnic group had not yet formed at that time. We had some kingdoms that covered large parts of Kurdistan but never an Empire. Koreans make good drama's about their empires, but they were never called korean, but by their tribes/nation's, word korean never existed back then, example kingdom of goguryeo (people were called goguryeons)>but the people were korean, It's the same with the median empire, Edited by MedianKurd, 4th October 2013 - 05:15 AM.



the SUN child	4th October 2013 - 05:24 AM Post #58
ZAGROS-ARYAN Posts: 2,776 Group: Senior Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 2, 2013 Mood None	Azamat 4th October 2013 - 05:12 AM Kurdistano, some months back I told you about Garnik Asatrian's 2009 paper "Prolegomena to the study of Kurds." In it he claims that the term "Kurd" or its derivatives pretty much disappeared for many centuries as an ethnic denominator, that it only began being applied to the Kurds very recently and that the people known by any of the terms similar to "Kurd" in antiquity were therefore not our ancestors. Garnik Asatrian is an ARMENIAN. So, not really a reliable source isn't it? Do we care about his opinion? Hell no!



jjmuneer	4th October 2013 - 05:25 AM Post #59
Posts: 9,028 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Azamat 4th October 2013 - 05:12 AM Kurdistano 4th October 2013 - 04:59 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Kurdistano, some months back I told you about Garnik Asatrian's 2009 paper "Prolegomena to the study of Kurds." In it he claims that the term "Kurd" or its derivatives pretty much disappeared for many centuries as an ethnic denominator, that it only began being applied to the Kurds very recently and that the people known by any of the terms similar to "Kurd" in antiquity were therefore not our ancestors. Izady says that the term 'Kurd' appears in texts as meaning "nomads" or "tent-dweller" because the people known as "Kurds" in antiquity migrated to other regions and assimilated into local communities there, and that the term 'Kurd' always remained an ethnic denominator but I think his argument is pretty speculative and weak. Very true, the term Kurd was essentially a denoter for the nomadic people of the mountains, and as the Arab invasions occurred, then it formalized into an ethnicity.



Azamat	4th October 2013 - 05:27 AM Post #60
Posts: 851 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: Dec 9, 2012 Mood None	the SUN child 4th October 2013 - 05:24 AM Azamat 4th October 2013 - 05:12 AM Kurdistano, some months back I told you about Garnik Asatrian's 2009 paper "Prolegomena to the study of Kurds." In it he claims that the term "Kurd" or its derivatives pretty much disappeared for many centuries as an ethnic denominator, that it only began being applied to the Kurds very recently and that the people known by any of the terms similar to "Kurd" in antiquity were therefore not our ancestors. Garnik Asatrian is an ARMENIAN. So, not really a reliable source isn't it? Do we care about his opinion? Hell no! Yes he's Armenian and a member of the fascist-terrorist Dashnaktsutyun party. But the burden is still on us to refute his arguments regardless of whether he has an anti-Kurdish agenda or not. Edited by Azamat, 4th October 2013 - 05:27 AM.



Apoci	4th October 2013 - 05:39 AM Post #61
BANNED Posts: 22 Group: New Members Member #262 Joined: Oct 1, 2013 Mood None	jjmuneer 4th October 2013 - 05:00 AM Kurdistano 4th October 2013 - 04:59 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Kur means 'son' though. It really depends on how you want to analyse the word "Kurd". Personally, I believe what Apo has said, that it has Sumerian origins and means "Mountain dweller" or "Mountain Person" Kur- Mountain ti - Person



jjmuneer	4th October 2013 - 05:44 AM Post #62
Posts: 9,028 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Apoci 4th October 2013 - 05:39 AM jjmuneer 4th October 2013 - 05:00 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep It really depends on how you want to analyse the word "Kurd". Personally, I believe what Apo has said, that it has Sumerian origins and means "Mountain dweller" or "Mountain Person" Kur- Mountain ti - Person The word has Iranic origins, so I'm not sure.



the SUN child	16th October 2013 - 12:34 AM Post #63
ZAGROS-ARYAN Posts: 2,776 Group: Senior Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 2, 2013 Mood None	Tevger 2nd October 2013 - 11:59 PM In the South Kurdistan of KRG archaeologists have discovered an ancient city called Idu, hidden beneath a mound. Cuneiform inscriptions and works of art reveal the palaces that flourished in the city throughout its history thousands of years ago. Located in a valley on the northern bank of the lower Zab River, the city's remains are now part of a mound created by human occupation called a tell, which rises about 32 feet (10 meters) above the surrounding plain. The earliest remains date back to Neolithic times, when farming first appeared in the Middle East, and a modern-day village called Satu Qala now lies on top of the tell. Cambyses' Lost Army: Found at Last? Play Video Ancient Lost Army Found? Has the lost army of Cambyses II been found? The city thrived between 3,300 and 2,900 years ago, said Cinzia Pappi, an archaeologist at the Universität Leipzig in Germany. At the start of this period, the city was under the control of the Assyrian Empire and was used to administer the surrounding territory. Later on, as the empire declined, the city gained its independence and became the center of a kingdom that lasted for about 140 years, until the Assyrians reconquered it. (See Photos of Discoveries at the Ancient City of Idu) The researchers were able to determine the site's ancient name when, during a survey of the area in 2008, a villager brought them an inscription with the city's ancient name engraved on it. Excavations were conducted in 2010 and 2011, and the team reported its findings in the most recent edition of the journal Anatolica. "Very few archaeological excavations had been conducted in South Kurdistan before 2008," Pappi wrote in an email to LiveScience. Conflicts in i-rack over the past three decades have made it difficult to work there. Additionally archaeologists before that time tended to favor excavations in the south of i-rack at places like Uruk and Ur. The effects of recent history are evident on the mound. In 1987, Saddam Hussein's forces attacked and partly burnt the modern-day village as part of a larger campaign against the Kurds, and "traces of this attack are still visible," Pappi said. Ancient palaces The art and cuneiform inscriptions the team uncovered provide glimpses of the ancient city's extravagant palaces. PHOTOS: Ancient Etruscan Prince Emerges From Tomb When Idu was an independent city, one of its rulers, Ba'ilanu, went so far as to boast that his palace was better than any of his predecessors'. "The palace which he built he made greater than that of his fathers," he claimed in the translated inscription. (His father, Abbi-zeri, made no such boast.) Two works of art hint at the decorations adorning the palaces at the time Idu was independent. One piece of artwork, a bearded sphinx with the head of a human male and the body of a winged lion, was drawn onto a glazed brick that the researchers found in four fragments. Above and below the sphinx, a surviving inscription reads, "Palace of Ba'auri, king of the land of Idu, son of Edima, also king of the land of Idu." Another work that was created for the same ruler, and bearing the same inscription as that on the sphinx, shows a "striding horse crowned with a semicircular headstall and led by a halter by a bearded man wearing a fringed short robe," Pappi and colleague Arne Wossink wrote in the journal article. Even during Assyrian rule, when Idu was used to administer the surrounding territory, finely decorated palaces were still built. For instance, the team discovered part of a glazed plaque whose colored decorations include a palmette, pomegranates and zigzag patterns. Only part of the inscription survives, but it reads, "Palace of Assurnasirpal, (king of the land of Assur)." Assurnasirpal refers to Assurnasirpal II (883-859 B.C.), the researchers said, adding that he, or one of his governors, must have built or rebuilt a palace at Idu after the Assyrians reconquered the city. (The 10 Biggest Battles for the Control of i-rack) Maybe this kingdom has something to do with the recently new discovered ancient unknown (Indo-European / Iranic) language of at least 2800 years old in Kurdistan. http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/archaeologists-discover-lost-language



Diako	16th October 2013 - 09:50 AM Post #64
Biji LGBT Takbir...Takbir Posts: 801 Group: Members Member #180 Joined: Jul 1, 2013 Mood None	It could be the sumerians emerged from the Halaf/Uruk cultures of the north Hawler, Duhok e.t.c a migration towards the south where the land was fertile and water could be irrigated. Remember Hawler's citadel is 6000bc pre-dating sumer easily!



Diako	16th October 2013 - 09:51 AM Post #65
Biji LGBT Takbir...Takbir Posts: 801 Group: Members Member #180 Joined: Jul 1, 2013 Mood None	Eventually it became a place of where everyone immigrated to and a wave of semites (later known as the assyrians) flooded sumer and had their influence.



Kurdistano	16th October 2013 - 11:59 AM Post #66
Posts: 3,155 Group: Elite Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	Azamat 4th October 2013 - 05:12 AM Kurdistano 4th October 2013 - 04:59 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Kurdistano, some months back I told you about Garnik Asatrian's 2009 paper "Prolegomena to the study of Kurds." In it he claims that the term "Kurd" or its derivatives pretty much disappeared for many centuries as an ethnic denominator, that it only began being applied to the Kurds very recently and that the people known by any of the terms similar to "Kurd" in antiquity were therefore not our ancestors. Izady says that the term 'Kurd' appears in texts as meaning "nomads" or "tent-dweller" because the people known as "Kurds" in antiquity migrated to other regions and assimilated into local communities there, and that the term 'Kurd' always remained an ethnic denominator but I think his argument is pretty speculative and weak. Izadies arguments are not weak. the term Kurd is and always was an ethnic denominator as well a term describing a larger groups of ancient people having common origin. You have to know at one point everyone was just one ethnicity and separated and became new tribes. Kurd is in similar fashion to German or Germanic. on one point it is an ethnic denominator but as well describes other tribes of Germanic origin. Allot of ancient (especially Indo European) people were Kurd, but they split and became something else while modern Kurds are the only one which preserved the term Kurd as ethnic identity. This does not make us a very young ethnicity, but in contrary one of the oldest in the world. And as Izady said, that Kurd was also used as synonym for nomad has nothing to do with the fact that Kurd just means nomad but because Kurds were predominantly half nomads and tent dwellers. During ancient times among Persians Kord (the Persian version of Kurd) was used as synonym for warrior. Does that mean Kurds describe a specific warrior caste? Of course not. And the same is the case with Jatts. Ethnic names often tend to turn into synonyms for lifestyles among specific ethnic groups. Edited by Kurdistano, 16th October 2013 - 12:07 PM.



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