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| [ti]BA[/ti]SINE - EAST KURDISTAN - CAPITAL | |
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| Topic Started: 11th December 2012 - 02:25 AM (11,201 Views) | |
| ALAN | 17th December 2013 - 11:47 PM Post #26 |
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I think I'll let Simko give more info Kermashan can't be a "Kurdish" capital if it's heavily Persianized heval it doesn't matter if it's half half.... You can't have a week capital and capitals aren't near the sea it's in the middle that's how it is with SK and NK as well so in case of a war it's reached harder.. |
 
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| Halo | 18th December 2013 - 01:13 AM Post #27 |
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Sineh have about 700-800 thousands inhabitants. Before everyone used to know each other but it's not like that today. It's too big. Too big that it can fit. Some say, why not let the nationalist strongholds to become our capital, but I disagree with that. I would rather see Kermashan or Wirmê as our capital. Major cities of great importance. The city would also be assimilated into it's real identity much faster aswell. |
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| jjmuneer | 18th December 2013 - 01:13 AM Post #28 |
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Alan you love to argue heval. It's not my opinion, it's a fact most capitals are near the sea. London near the sea. Sydney near the sea. Copenhgan near the sea. Stockholm near the sea. Washington near the sea. dubai near the sea. tokyo near the sea. etc.... Reason is the capital has easy access to the sea for trade. What do you mean "Weak capital"? Kirmanshan is one of the oldest cities in all of Kurdistan. And you cannot use SK or NK as an example, since all of Kurdistan for that matter of fact is surrounded by land and not sea. But I can assure you if we had access to the sea generally a capital would be near by.
Edited by jjmuneer, 18th December 2013 - 01:14 AM.
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| Halo | 18th December 2013 - 01:20 AM Post #29 |
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But we are talking federal capitals. We will construct the real capital in the center of Kurdistan. |
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| jjmuneer | 18th December 2013 - 01:22 AM Post #30 |
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Historically speaking for economic purposes capitals were positioned near the sea. If you mean a political capital then fine I can agree it with it being more central. But for a United Kurdistan the most logical place would be Colemerg. |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 07:48 AM Post #31 |
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Sydney is near the sea ALL of Australian big cities are too Melbourne Brisbane Adelaide Perth Tasmania and Darwin as the rest is all deserts  and since Great Kurdistan has no sea yet we can only look for a capital in the middle according to this logic of yours WK capital should be Efrin but it's Qamishlo and as far as I know having lived in EK for 2 years Sine is the capital of EK jjjj I'm not the one known for arguing for the sake of arguing 
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| jjmuneer | 18th December 2013 - 08:47 AM Post #32 |
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But we aren't talking about a "great kurdistan", but EK. Don't change the subject. It's simple, Kirmanshan is geographically closer to the sea. If you talk about a great Kurdistan than I'm fine with a capital being in Rojava if there is access to the sea there. But I still don't get your argument, since there is no logical basis to it. You claimed "Sne is more nationalist so it should be the capital." |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 10:30 AM Post #33 |
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Kirmashan isn't close to anything and Persianized heavily via shia religion you don't just choose a capital as far as I know it's Sine the ppl need to be patriot, so we are changing from close to sea now to oldest city, Kirmashan is lost itself let alone it been close to sea you don't seem to care much But Ilam is fully isolated by Kirmashan, unless Kirmashan is de Persianized I don't see a chance anytime soon, you don't see the sunni cities been araized by Ahwazis bcos both are Sunnis jj? I would let Mahabad be capital too for been so patriot but as far as I know Sine is the capital... You can't choose Ilam it's south of the border Urmya is at the top Sine is in a perfect situation as well nice choice 
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 10:31 AM Post #34 |
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jj Persianized Kurds wont make good decision for EK why separate at all then from Iran if we only going to choose a persianzed city as the capital!??? Lol if we only gonna be rules by Persian why bother!? no it must be a patriot city and from there efforts have to be put in to de-persianze Kirmashan... Kerkûk is still suffering from arabization and half of the schools are still arabic.... |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 10:40 AM Post #35 |
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With you jj everything is about Faylis now you telling me Persianized Kirmashanis need to rule EK that's like me saying Kerkukis should rule SK bcos we have given lots of Shahid Peshmergas!!! What did Kirmashan contributed to Mahabad republic??? with me not everything is about Kerkûk or Soranîs as right now Sorani is majority in SK but Bahdinis rule. |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 11:00 AM Post #36 |
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purearch: Bahdinis will rule SK for ever!? we can leave that for elections when we unite, but in SK PDK couldn't have ruled (president, PM and head of security) if PUK and Gorran didn't split up which were one party once, as Gorrans seats is 24 plus PUK 18 that's more than PDK's 38 seats remember lots of WKis voted too that's very cheeky and cheating I didn't see Gorran or PUK bringing in EKi Soranîs to vote for them.. and never say never, who thought Gorran and PDK will end up been allies now that PUK is 3rd position!? in politics there is no permanent ally or enemy its ok thats a free lesson.. |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 11:05 AM Post #37 |
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Does PUK still back stab them? No and PDK is literally doing that with NKis it's called survival mechanism it's ok that's free info for you  and that's why we saw what we saw when Barzani went to NK, right now PDK is jailing EKis for the attack on the Persian-Azeri consulate in Hewlêr your hope for EK support of PDK is vanishing quick with Nechirvan calling them "trouble makers" |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 11:12 AM Post #38 |
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PUK assassinated PDKI PDKI/PDK assassinated many PUK leaders and cadres via the (temporary leadership council) set up by them both killed each other get over it and it was a long time ago where the struggle was all new by PUK starting from 1985-1991 and that's what division among 4 countries does to you... And PDKI is also responsible for Qyada Moqata where with PDK they assassinated many PUK Peshmerga they might not forget that easily too (this is all mentioned in Nawshirwans book with names and dates), there is always two sides to the story.. |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 11:14 AM Post #39 |
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You need to stop you have derailed the topic too much it was about Kirmashan vs Sine for EK capital you took it to Sorani vs Bahdini a lame and sneaky move |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 11:15 AM Post #40 |
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I thought jj was regionalist you beat him by 100 times |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 01:41 PM Post #41 |
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purearch you should have left your comments so that the mods would have seen your trolling since you asked me to report your trollings.. |
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| purearch72 | 18th December 2013 - 01:52 PM Post #42 |
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What trolling¿ all I see is spam.
Edited by purearch72, 18th December 2013 - 01:53 PM.
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 01:55 PM Post #43 |
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Purearch you abused your elite power, you trolled and were saying nasty things then asked me to report you and i did but what you did next? deleted all the comments lucky i took a screen shot of the things you were saying i had a feeling you might delete them.. |
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| purearch72 | 18th December 2013 - 01:58 PM Post #44 |
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I thought you wanted the thread clean |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 02:24 PM Post #45 |
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Yes moved not deleted hahaha smarty pants |
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| jjmuneer | 18th December 2013 - 10:14 PM Post #46 |
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Alan here we go again, "Sunni shia Sunni shia Sunni shia Sunni shia Sunni shia". Do you want to have another religious debate? So because Kurds in Sne are mostly Sunni they automatically patriotic? I thought we agreed Kurdish shias and Iranian shias practice islam differently. If you say Kurdish shias and Iranian shias are the same, I say same about Kurds and Saudis. It doesn't make sense does it? Alan you've never been to Kirmanshan and your acting like the entire city is persianized. I already told you only the central urban areas are were Persians lives. The suburbs and the entire outer-city is Kurdish. Ask yourself this is PDKI doing anything there? No. It's simple if you want Kirmanshani votes, just go campaign their secretly. Kirmanshan is older than Sne. So it's a historic city. I think we should have a referendum. |
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| jjmuneer | 18th December 2013 - 10:19 PM Post #47 |
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So all of Kirmanshan is persianized? Alan you know how they say I argue for sake of arguing yet it seems you aren't believing me when I tell you only a significant fraction of Kirmanshan is persianized. Now where did I mention Persianized Kurds ruling? Where did I mention Feylis ruling?By the way Kirmanshan isn't feyli, it's kheluri, hewrami and Laki. I told you feylis that live there originally were from N.Ilam. They moved in the 30, 40s. |
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 10:20 PM Post #48 |
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when did i say all? you said half are, and you cant make a "province" a capital if "half" of the population is persianzed, my point about Sine been sunni is that it played a good factor in remaining kurds but in Kirmashan the shia religion IS used to lure them and persianize them do you want to deny this!?
Edited by ALAN, 18th December 2013 - 10:23 PM.
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| ALAN | 18th December 2013 - 10:43 PM Post #49 |
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Anyways thats up to EK to decide their capital via a referendum, but as far as i know right now its Sine |
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| Halo | 19th December 2013 - 02:19 AM Post #50 |
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The biggest city that represents Kurds for the moment in EK is Sineh and to a degree Kermashan but I want cities like Kermashan and Wirmê to be the leading cities. They are much more important and with time Kermashan and Wirmê will be much more nationalistic. The leadership will a mix of Kurds from EK, not only Kermashan or only Wirmê. |
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