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| Topic Started: 17th November 2015 - 07:45 AM (847 Views) | |
| kurdo82 | 17th November 2015 - 07:45 AM Post #1 |
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Since HEZEN DEMOKRATIK SYRIA seems to be considered a kurdish military unit and since the administration of this site allows to post pictures etc. of this syrian force and since those who have created HEZEN DEMOKRATIK SYRIA are keen to explain that HEZEN DEMOKRATIK SYRIA is a different military unit with its own flag and structure and point it out, i would suggest to open a new topic for them and post their videos here and not mix them with other units, mentioned here.
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| Tevger | 17th November 2015 - 07:50 AM Post #2 |
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what the hell is ''HEZEN DEMOKRATIK SYRIA ''???? Who comes up with these ridiculous names... close this thread please. its a disgrace |
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| kurdo82 | 17th November 2015 - 07:52 AM Post #3 |
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ok, then lets call it HEZEN SURIYA DEMOKRATIK better or still a disgrace ?  They have their own military
Edited by kurdo82, 17th November 2015 - 07:55 AM.
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| Tevger | 17th November 2015 - 07:56 AM Post #4 |
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ohh its PKK. well then biji SDF!!! |
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| kurdishpatriot | 17th November 2015 - 07:57 AM Post #5 |
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secular sheikh
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It is just a strategic thing to have arabs fooled and still supporting us. Because we are getting more into arab wilderniss in rojava. And so that turkey cant make fake claims like ethnic cleansing. |
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| kurdo82 | 17th November 2015 - 07:58 AM Post #6 |
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| FulcrumKAF | 17th November 2015 - 08:03 AM Post #7 |
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Po210
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This is the type of topic that could go from calm to shitstorm in less than 3 posts. I recommend you all to avoid that, or else we have to hand out warnings and blocks. |
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| kurdo82 | 17th November 2015 - 08:06 AM Post #8 |
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yes, give up our identity and symbols to avoid attacks by turkey and to be loved by arabs, we could have done that 90 years ago and believe me, we wouldnt have faced one day of trouble. There would be a much easier solution to avod turkish attacks but its too much for some to accept. But lets stop political talks, post simply pictures etc.
Edited by kurdo82, 17th November 2015 - 08:11 AM.
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| kurdo82 | 17th November 2015 - 08:10 AM Post #9 |
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new advances |
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| Tevger | 17th November 2015 - 08:13 AM Post #10 |
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kurdo you seem to think that we are proud of this. that somehow we wake up in the morning and shout '' biji xelke ereb'' and go to bed at night celebrating and dancing dabkeh with our arab brethren. none of us are proud of this but Rojava is not a superpower. sometimes we have to swallow some poison. |
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| kurdo82 | 17th November 2015 - 10:19 PM Post #11 |
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http://anfenglish.com/kurdistan/15-more-military-groups-join-syrian-democratic-forces?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter The 15 groups will join the resistance in the ranks of the following forces; 1- Jaysh Al-Siwar (Artêşa Şoreşgeran) 2- Hêzên Firqeya 30 3-Tugaya Şehîdên gundewarê Helebê 4-Tugaya Eyîn Calût 5-Tugaya 99 Muşat 6-Tugaya El-Hemze 7-Tugaya Keikaa 8-Tugaya Misyonên Taybet 9-Tûgaya Selcûqiyan 10-Focê 102 11-Ahrar Al-Shemal 12–Hêzên Êlên Heleb û gundewarên wê 13-Jabhat Al-Akrad 13-Hêzên YPG 15-Hêzên YPJ beside the YPG and YPJ subgroups and Jabhat al Akrad and Artesa Soregsgeran, it seems like 11 new arab groups are joining the SDF.  
Edited by kurdo82, 17th November 2015 - 10:23 PM.
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| kurdo82 | 17th November 2015 - 10:27 PM Post #12 |
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http://anfenglish.com/kurdistan/sdf-forces-liberate-strategic-selala-village The operation of Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF or QSD) in south Hesekê continues in its 16th day. The village of Şelala, 35 km southeast of Hesekê and 6 km to Hawl town, was liberated by Syrian Democratic Forces late yesterday. The village is located on Şelala hill from which it takes its name, and houses a remarkable number of oil wells, which makes it one of the most strategic villages in the region. With the liberation of Şelala, Syrian Democratic Forces have taken a greater part of the control over the road between Hawl and Irasha. As part of the ongoing operation, 10 more locations have been cleared of ISIS gangs. During mop-up activities around Hawl which ended yesterday after the liberation of the town the day before, SDF combatants have seized six bomb-laden vehicles, 4 pick-up vehicles, one lorry, one Hammer and one panzer belonging to the gangs. The town is on the other hand filled with mines planted by the gangs before liberation. ( further gains by SDF ) |
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| kurdo82 | 17th November 2015 - 10:31 PM Post #13 |
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| kurdo82 | Yesterday, 8:37 PM Post #14 |
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the new allies in the SDF
Edited by kurdo82, Yesterday, 8:41 PM.
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| Alasha | Yesterday, 8:57 PM Post #15 |
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Fulcrum it is true what you are saying, but this HEZEN SURIYA DEMOKRATIK can not be merged with the kurdish forces that we have seperate topic for. Good move Kurdo
Edited by Alasha, Yesterday, 8:58 PM.
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| kurdo82 | Yesterday, 9:12 PM Post #16 |
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what about them, dont they qualify as partners, i know they arent as pretty and handsome like the arab brothers with their long beards and i know their kurdish patriosm is not what you are looking for, islamism and tribalism may fit more but still, i belive they would be worth a try.
Edited by kurdo82, Yesterday, 9:19 PM.
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| kurdo82 | Yesterday, 9:17 PM Post #17 |
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http://anfenglish.com/kurdistan/sdf-releases-balance-sheet-of-the-operation-in-south-heseke Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) have released the balance sheet of the operation to liberate ISIS-occupied areas in south Hesekê. During the press conference announcing the results of the operation, statements were made by SDF Spokesman Talal Ali Sılo in Arabic and by Lewend Rojava in Kurdish. The statement said a number of villages, towns and hamlets have been liberated and a large quantity of ammunition belonging to the gang groups has been seized during the operation conducted by Syrian Democratic Forces in south Hesekê between 30 October and 13 November. SDF also offered condolences to the French people for the Paris attacks perpetrated by ISIS three days ago, which left over a hundred people dead in horrific terrorist attacks against innocent civilians. According to the balance sheet of the operation, an area of 1362 km square was cleansed of ISIS during the operation, which involves the towns of Xatuniye and Hawl and 196 villages and hamlets. 493 members of the gang groups were killed and corpses of 112 were seized by SDF. During the course of the operation, ISIS gangs carried out 13 attacks with guided missiles and 4 mortar attacks with poisonous gas, while 4 ISIS members conducted suicide attacks. Syrian Democratic Forces destroyed 34 bomb-laden vehicles, 23 military vehicles and 4 motorcycles; and seized 9 bomb-laden vehicles, 22 vehicles, one panzer and 4 motorcycles. The joint Syrian Democratic Forces also seized a large quantity of ammunition belonging to the gangs, which include 126 Kalashnikov rifles, 24 BKC machine guns, 42 RPG (Bisving) and 93 RPG rockets, 17 DShK heavy machine guns and one M16 rifle. 33 SDF combatants lost their lives and 53 others were wounded during the operation, while 4 civilians were killed as a result of attacks by ISIS members.
Edited by kurdo82, Yesterday, 9:18 PM.
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| kurdo82 | Yesterday, 9:29 PM Post #18 |
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SDF spokesman speaks about recent advances, maybe someone can translate arabic for us, arabic is seems to be main language in the SDF forces |
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| kurdishpatriot | Yesterday, 9:51 PM Post #19 |
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secular sheikh
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It is because most of the recently liberated areas have kurds who are arabised, have arabs as a majority, or arabs as a big minority.
Edited by kurdishpatriot, Yesterday, 9:54 PM.
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| Qandil | Today, 1:15 AM Post #20 |
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I posted this in the YPG thread, but I will also post it here. --- I'm actually tired of this "passive-aggressive" attitude from kurdo82. A 30-year old guy seemingly with influence of power in a Kurdish party act like this. Halo, you're right. SDF is a fake portrait. It's a KURDISH fighting group. The Arab groups are IRRELEVANT. Despite many Arab groups "joining", they consist of basically nothing. I've repeatedly said that SDF = YPG, but that the name behind the force is purely political because of the US and Turkey. I will show you an article of where journalists visited SDF at the frontline and interviewed them. --- "Though it is intended to begin clawing back territory from the Islamic State in mostly Arab areas, nearly all of the group’s fighting power comes from ethnic Kurdish militias." --- And this is why I hate US with their political correctness and Penis sucking of Turks: "And before that, American officials said 50 tons of ammunition had been airdropped for Arab fighters with the new group." "But already, things have not always gone as planned. Since the ammunition airdrop, American officials have privately acknowledged that the Arab units it was intended for did not have the logistical capability to move it. So, again, the Kurds were called to help." --- Now, I understand your concern kurdo82. Despite us being the real backbone of SDF, you're afraid that the Arabs one day will bite us in the ass. But Arabs are incompetent. That's the truth and you know it yourself. Remember the article you linked about why Arabs lose wars and the American impression of the Arabs? "While the Kurds have become used to securing territory, with uniformed forces and a clear chain of command, their Arab allies often leave teenagers with Kalashnikovs at checkpoints who stop and release cars at random, scaring drivers." "While these groups hate the Islamic State, most are small, and some have been repeatedly routed by the very jihadists the United States now hopes they will defeat." You're afraid of these groups? Ffs, listen to what one of their commanders say: "A commander of one Arab group lamented that while Kurdish commanders could simply order their fighters to move, he could only make suggestions and hope his men complied." --- Yeah, it's a fancy name. Fancy idea that attracts a lot of people. But the reality is this: "Some of the alliance’s forces have cooperated before, but relations are not always smooth. The Kurdish military strength in the area means that Kurds set the agenda, and many clearly look down on their Arab partners." --- "Evidence of the Kurdish group’s dominance is obvious. The militia runs ubiquitous checkpoints; photos of its “martyrs” adorn billboards; and its fighters hold most of the more than 280-mile-long front line with the Islamic State. Parts of it have come to resemble an international border, with deep trenches and high berms running for miles, lined with bright lights to prevent jihadist infiltrators. The whole line is dotted with heavily sandbagged positions to protect against machine gun and mortar attacks by the jihadists." Don't believe it? I can link you to a Chinese documentary showing exactly this. --- Now, mr. kurdo82. Here's the part that you don't understand. It's the part that you can't fathom without going crazy. I'd like to quote heval Tevger:
Read that and now read this: "A senior United States military official said the United States had encouraged the Kurdish militia to create an umbrella group that would make more sense to an international audience, and Kurdish leaders decided to call it the Syrian Democratic Forces." "But the name of a subgroup of Arab brigades called the Syrian Arab Coalition was “an American invention,” the senior official acknowledged." --- Here's what a member of an American policy group says about the force: “The Y.P.G. is a very effective fighting force, and it can do a lot,” said Barak Barfi, a research fellow at the New American Foundation, a policy group in Washington, who recently spent time with Kurdish units in Syria. “But these Arab groups are weak and just a fig leaf for the Y.P.G.” And this: "The alliance sought to help the Kurds by dampening fear among Arabs of Kurdish domination, and the United States hoped it would play down its close relationship with the Kurds so as not to alarm Turkey, Mr. Barfi said." "But the alliance itself has internal tensions." “There is no deep-rooted alliance between these groups; this is a shifting, tactical alliance,” Mr. Barfi said. --- Conclusion: It's an invention to get US support without pissing off the Turks and will allow us to go deep into Arab lands. It's just a fake picture. If we capture Al-Shaddadi and its oil fields, Rojava will be rich. The biggest oil fields in all of Syria lies there. Not to mention that we will secure Bashur from the desert and likewise. There's also news about future peace talks coming up with both US and Russian approval. We'd want Raqqa, because that will be our bargaining chip. Here's Redur Xelil saying it: “The backbone of these forces are the Kurdish groups because of their experience fighting ISIS and their numbers,” said Redur Xelil, a spokesman for Syria’s dominant Kurdish force, the Y.P.G. But he talked about how that could be a limiting factor in fighting for cities like Raqqa, the Islamic State’s headquarters in Syria: “We have to be realistic that the Y.P.G. can’t go by itself into Raqqa, or people will say, ‘What are you doing there?’" --- Source for everything above: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/world/middleeast/new-us-backed-alliance-in-syria-exists-in-name-only.html --- Do you get it now? Not everything is black and white in politics. That's why I say you're thinking way too emotionally, which I don't blame you for. Ultra-nationalists tend to be very aggressive over the smallest things. To be honest, it's funny how you don't see this force as a necessity, but somehow, in your world, you see that the Iraqi flag planted in SENGAL (the name of the town speaks for itself) as a "formal necessity". Is this some kind of a sick joke lol? Let me get this straight: You have nothing against the Iraqi flag being planted in Sengal; a KURDISH city that has been GENOCIDED by BA'ATHIST Arabs, as you believe it is due to pressure from Iraq and the Americans. But in the case of YPG going into strategic Arab towns with US support and approval, the "new force" (always will be YPG in my eyes) is not a necessity, but in fact a betrayal for the Kurdish nation? Hello? |
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