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Terrorist attack in Paris
Topic Started: 14th November 2015 - 08:13 AM (8,101 Views)
Frenchy	14th November 2015 - 08:13 AM Post #1
Posts: 198 Group: Senior Members Member #493 Joined: Aug 21, 2014	Right now, an other terrorist attack is taking place in Paris. For now at least 20 civilian killed by armed terrorists. Complete chaos in Paris, the stadium of France (soccer field where was taking place the friendly match France-Germany) is being evacuated. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html Quote: Paris shooting: Several killed and injured after 'Kalashnikov and grenade attacks' across French capital Many people killed after several shootings and explosions across central Paris - follow live updates Quote: Gunmen shouted Allah Akbar' Louis, inside the Bataclan, told France Info radio the men opened fire and shouted "Allah Akbar". He only saw silhouettes. He said: Quote The men came in and started shooting. Everyone fell to the ground. It was hell. I took my mum, and we hid. Someone near us said they have gone, so we ran out. I was only thinking of escaping. We're out now. I think people are still inside. It's a nightmare - a nightmare. Quote: As we try to make sense of exactly what is going on, The Telegraph's David Chazan has this summary of what we know: Quote At least 18 people were killed and “many wounded” in a series of attacks in Paris by gunmen armed with kalashnikovs and grenades on Friday evening, police said. Grenades were reportedly thrown at a stadium in the north of the French capital where a football match between France and Germany was being held, witnesses said. The first shooting to be reported took place at a Cambodian restaurant in the 10th arrondissement of the city, an area with many crowded bars and restaurants, particularly busy on Friday evening. A second shooting was reported minutes later near a nightclub in the area, Le Bataclan, where gunmen were said to be holding hostages. Later grenades were said to have been thrown at a stadium in the north of the city where a football match between France and Germany was being held. Large numbers of police rushed to the scene of the first attack, a Cambodian restaurant in the 10th arrondissement of the French capital. They evacuated nearby bars and restaurants. The motive of the shootings is unknown, but Parisians feared that terrorists had again attacked the French capital, where 17 people were killed in a series of attacks in January that began with the shootings of staff at the office of the Charlie Hebdo magazine. Sirens were heard throughout central Paris. Helicopters were seen in the air near the stadium. Edited by Frenchy, 14th November 2015 - 08:19 AM.



Frenchy	14th November 2015 - 08:19 AM Post #2
Posts: 198 Group: Senior Members Member #493 Joined: Aug 21, 2014	Edit: the latest reported death toll is 40 The French army and French Special Forces (Police) have been deployed all around Paris and mostly around the French stadium, the Bataclan (theatre) and 10th district. Quote: Attacks coordinated Paris's deputy mayor says it is too early to say if the attacks were coordinated acts of terror, but that it looks that way. US officials state the attacks were coordinated. Edited by Frenchy, 14th November 2015 - 08:22 AM.



kurdishpatriot	14th November 2015 - 08:24 AM Post #3
secular sheikh Posts: 2,797 Group: Elite Member #382 Joined: Mar 16, 2014 Mood None	Wow that is heavy, isn't it very hard to get a weapon in the EU? May the victims rest in peace



Qandil	14th November 2015 - 08:28 AM Post #4
Posts: 4,992 Group: Moderators Member #4 Joined: Nov 20, 2012 Mood None	You just have way too many (radicalized) Arabs in your country. I'm an immigrant myself and I appreciate the life here in Europe, but even I can see that you accepted way too many immigrants.



Frenchy	14th November 2015 - 08:29 AM Post #5
Posts: 198 Group: Senior Members Member #493 Joined: Aug 21, 2014	Edit. new death toll of at least 60 !!! Quote: Wow that is heavy, isn't it very hard to get a weapon in the EU? May the victims rest in peace Well, if you are willing and have money, it's not that hard to get weapons. For now, it appears they had AK assault rifles and grenades. Quote: You just have way too many (radicalized) Arabs in your country. I'm an immigrant myself and I appreciate the life here in Europe, but even I can see that you accepted way too many immigrants. Well, our European society is sick... It's obvious, but they keep accepting more... Right now, the French army and Police get ready to assault the Bataclan theatre were many are still being held hostages by terrorists. Edited by Frenchy, 14th November 2015 - 08:32 AM.



kurdishpatriot	14th November 2015 - 08:33 AM Post #6
secular sheikh Posts: 2,797 Group: Elite Member #382 Joined: Mar 16, 2014 Mood None	perhaps they need cultural integration. Germany which has christian democrats/right wingers in power who are demanding cultural integration, and doesn't seem to suffer from extremism as much as in France right? Edited by kurdishpatriot, 14th November 2015 - 08:34 AM.



Jim M	14th November 2015 - 09:13 AM Post #7
R. Sergeant Major Posts: 691 Group: Elite Member #536 Joined: Sep 26, 2014 Mood None	Everyone's sympathies have to be with the French people at a time like this and I really hate to say anything negative but how can anyone not know that we are at war with these savages. Worse our leaders are sleepwalking us into even worse tragedies in their handling of the situation in the middle east. The lack of a strategy to bring the war to a expeditious conclusion has caused the refugee crisis. Now all those people flooding into Europe is causing a nightmare for our security forces. What is it going to take to wake them up. Regards, Jim M



Armanc	14th November 2015 - 09:15 AM Post #8
Posts: 870 Group: Elite Member #237 Joined: Sep 8, 2013 Mood None	That happens because isis supporting terrorist turkey is not kicked out of Nato. They are the supply line for isis and they also connect isis with the world. Terrorist turkey until now used its influence in Nato just to protect isis at its broder from the YPG and sadly USA listened to turkey. ISIS have many operation centers in turkey from where they sent recruits, weapons and money to isis and from where they sent terrorist cells to europe. And I am sure at least one of the terrorists in this current attack have a conection to turkey. How can they still have such a terrorist state in Nato, Kick turkey out declare them as a terrorist supporting state, implement embargoes on them and close the border to turkey. And support all forces that fight isis and have no connection with turkey. Then the biggest terrorist state and the biggest terrorist organisation would be destroyed at the same time. My Condolence to all the family members of the victims.



Fire	14th November 2015 - 09:32 AM Post #9
Posts: 2,317 Group: Elite Member #56 Joined: Feb 5, 2013	My condolence to the French people. The people in Europe should all know that the Isis-caliph and creator in Ankara has send tenthousands of his Isis-terrorists to Europe under the name/banner of "refugees". Edited by Fire, 14th November 2015 - 09:36 AM.



Chatulio	14th November 2015 - 09:42 AM Post #10
Posts: 318 Group: Senior Members Member #627 Joined: Feb 7, 2015	Hello everyone, I've heared the explosions in the TV-broadcast, though the reason was unknown at the time. Naturally the german Minister of foreign affairs, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who was attending the game, expressed the support and sympathies of Germany to France: 'We stand at France's side.' It is a possible reaction of the islamistic cells to the losses that the IS-terrorists have suffered and France's contributions to the anti-IS-coalition. As for comparisons of extremism in Western Europe, I believe the situation is considerably more complex. On one hand, France has many immigrants from its former colonies, on another, there has been trouble with discrimination against these groups and growing radicalization over the years. Perfect feeding grounds for extremist recruiters. At least it seems to be a british experience that many of the worst british extremists were actually Britain-born, second-generation immigrants, not the original immigrants themselves. Germany lost its colonies and thus no immigrants can claim former colony citizenship as a reason to be allowed to immigrate. We did have large influxes in the 60s and 70s and now more influxes of war-refugees. Refusing to take them in while their homeland burns would be unethical and against the constitution, still, the possible long-term effects make people uneasy across the nation. The security services do what they can, but the flood of refugees has rather thoroughly overwhelmed the administrations. Discrimination might be a lesser problem, but it is considerably harder for them as well to find living room and work. A factor that might help, as unwelcome as it is, is that Germany is the most surveillanced nation in the world (according to documentaries on the topic, a reminder of Germany's role in the Cold War), with large intelligence-community presences from all major western powers, Russia, China and so on ... and installations vital to US-intelligence as well as US-troop presences that necessitate stronger intelligence service presences. Apparently the combination of internal security services and these foreign intelligence services have foiled numerous attempted attacks in the past and lead to the arrest of terror-cells. But sometimes luck alone saved many people (like two events of bombs not going off despite having been placed without detection). Either way, my condolences for the victims and their families and my best wishes for recovery for those who survived. This terror-act is absolutely pointless as no amount of such terror can persuade the West to leave the IS-terrorists alone, if anything, it forces our leaders to continue supporting the anti-IS-coalition with even greater determination. With best regards, condolences and wishes, Chatulio Edited by Chatulio, 14th November 2015 - 09:46 AM.



diako_ber	14th November 2015 - 09:51 AM Post #11
Posts: 573 Group: Elite Member #7 Joined: Nov 20, 2012 Mood None	My condoleances to the French people. The second time this is happening within a year, terrible. Unfortunately, guns are pretty easy to get in Europe due to the wars in former Yugoslavia (there are no border control checks between these countries and western Europe, meaning that they can smuggle their weapons easily). Even though it is yet unclear which armed group is behind the attacks (I assume ISIS), I still cannot understand how these immigrants, who are born in this country and practically raised by the French government to commit such crimes. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. It's a shame to see such a wonderful European city like Paris face so much violence. Same goes for cities like Malmö in Sweden and The Hague in the Netherlands. European intelligency agencies should get in action more often. In almost all cases, the perpetrators had been under close watch of the country's respective intelligency agency (f.e. Charlie Hebdo, Jihadi John), but yet they have failed to act.



Zagros	14th November 2015 - 10:06 AM Post #12
Posts: 3,522 Group: Elite Member #235 Joined: Sep 8, 2013 Mood None	Frenchy 14th November 2015 - 08:19 AM Edit: the latest reported death toll is 40 The French army and French Special Forces (Police) have been deployed all around Paris and mostly around the French stadium, the Bataclan (theatre) and 10th district. Quote: Attacks coordinated Paris's deputy mayor says it is too early to say if the attacks were coordinated acts of terror, but that it looks that way. US officials state the attacks were coordinated. Rest in peace. My condolences to the French people.



Moss	14th November 2015 - 07:32 PM Post #13
Posts: 18 Group: Members Member #540 Joined: Oct 3, 2014	I didn't slept a lot tonight The aftermath is terrible: at least 120 dead and 200 wounded, alot very badly Things are not totaly clear but we can tell that it's a coordinated attack of at least 8 terrorists. Around 10 PM friday 3 shootings happens simultaneously in the north of Paris, at the same time 3 suicidebombers detonate themselves nearby the football stadium where the match France-Germany was going on. At least 4 deads here. Then multiples shootings targeting restaurants and cafés happend, killing 12 , 5, 18, 4 victims. The worst is still to come, 4 terrorists moved to "Le Bataclan" a concert hall crowded with more than a thousand spectators, it's a slaughter. But the terrorists this time hold the place a take hostages, 2 hours later, police give assault and kills 1 of the terrorists, 3 others blewthemselves: 82 people killed. A terrorist attack was expected by the the french autorithies but this is probably the worst it could happen. It's the worst case scenario, like in Mumbaï in 2008, nearly impossible to avoid nor prevent. State of emergency have been declared in France, not clear if border are closed or controls strenghtend. State of emergency allow police forces longer suspecst detentions, all time home searchings. F.Hollande said "We will lead the fight, he will be ruthless "" A lot of doors will be kicked in the next hours... no white gloves needed anymore. Frenchy, did you read this? It was published 2 weeks ago http://lavoiedelepee.blogspot.be/2015/10/le-jour-dapres-la-grande-attaque.html .... For non french speaking, it's about "The day after", what if a big attack like the one we lived tonight happened ?



jjmuneer	14th November 2015 - 08:48 PM Post #14
Posts: 8,856 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Happens on a weekly basis in the middle-east, move on.



Halo	14th November 2015 - 10:58 PM Post #15
Têkoşer Posts: 5,742 Group: Elite Member #36 Joined: Jan 9, 2013 Mood None	RIP, hope this will lead to the west doing more to fight terrorists, make them realize who are thier allies and who are not(turkey).



Tevger	14th November 2015 - 11:23 PM Post #16
Posts: 4,217 Group: Elite Member #49 Joined: Feb 1, 2013 Mood None	A sad thing that civilians are the victim of political games. Much of this does not make sense. France and USA are prime allies with Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Qatar. All three main sponsors of these savages. Everyone knows this yet we are always surprised when these horrendous attacks suddenly happen. I dont care about support for Kurds in the fight against ISIS. But at least stop your alliance with those Middle Eastern countries supporting ISIS. Once agian, civilians pay the price and that is a great shame on humanity



Brendar	14th November 2015 - 11:47 PM Post #17
Posts: 3,087 Group: Elite Member #6 Joined: Nov 20, 2012 Mood None	My deepest condolences and support for french people. The Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam once said "Muslim immigrants who do not appreciate the way of life in Western civilisations can 'f*** off'." France has way too many muslims and the vast majority do not want to integrate. Kick them out.



Kurdistano	15th November 2015 - 12:16 AM Post #18
Posts: 3,149 Group: Elite Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	General adviser of the Turkish Prime Minister. I translate, "Why does ISIS chose France as target? Maybe because the French people are the most who are converting to Islam in Europe. They(the West) try to colden the people towards Islam. Wow, the typical conspiracy bullshit indeed while perfectly knowing who stands behind ISIS. Making the offenders to victims as usual.



jjmuneer	15th November 2015 - 12:36 AM Post #19
Posts: 8,856 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Brendar 14th November 2015 - 11:47 PM My deepest condolences and support for french people. The Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam once said "Muslim immigrants who do not appreciate the way of life in Western civilisations can 'f*** off'." France has way too many muslims and the vast majority do not want to integrate. Kick them out. I highly doubt you actually care about the victims, we all know why you are giving your "deepest condolences".



jjmuneer	15th November 2015 - 12:36 AM Post #20
Posts: 8,856 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Kurdistano 15th November 2015 - 12:16 AM General adviser of the Turkish Prime Minister. I translate, "Why does ISIS chose France as target? Maybe because the French people are the most who are converting to Islam in Europe. They(the West) try to colden the people towards Islam. Wow, the typical conspiracy bullshit indeed while perfectly knowing who stands behind ISIS. Making the offenders to victims as usual. Turkey, Qatar & Saudi arabia.



Fire	15th November 2015 - 12:38 AM Post #21
Posts: 2,317 Group: Elite Member #56 Joined: Feb 5, 2013	As long as the world don't speak out who Isis is, not a single thing will change. Tomorrow there'll be the G20 summit in Turkgay. Obama and the other leaders will all smile and shake the hands of the Isis-caliph and then they'll make a common statement about being determined to fight terrorism together. That's it.



FulcrumKAF	15th November 2015 - 12:46 AM Post #22
Po210 Posts: 2,673 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Nov 17, 2012 Mood None	My condolences to the people of France. We have to react with cool heads and not fall into the trap of these bearded terrorists. The terrorists need more recruits. This terrorist attack will push natives to be less welcoming to the recent refugees as well as further stigmatize the already existing immigrant population; in other words, creating the perfect environment for fanaticism to grow in European countries. The attack will have western-wide effects. At the same time the attack will push France to step up its bombing campaign in Syria and Iraq, which will in turn be used as propaganda by terrorists (attacks on muslims; "we are defending the honor of the muslim world"). Plus, they are showing the world (and more importantly, muslims that have an identity crisis) that they can still hit anywhere; "a force to be reckoned with". Lastly, and perhaps most surprisingly for some people, this will help the National Front party gain votes in France. For Islamic terrorists, the victory of nationalist groups in Europe is a victory for them. The hard stance on non-natives by nationalist groups often leads to many immigrants becoming radicalized. The economic effects of this attack is just a bonus for the terrorists. Recruitment seems to be the main motive. This analysis is of course based on the assumption that the perpetrators are jihadists (more specifically, IS and allies). All terrorists attacks have deeper motives than "let's kill some people to show them to not mess with us".



Tevger	Yesterday, 1:51 AM Post #23
Posts: 4,217 Group: Elite Member #49 Joined: Feb 1, 2013 Mood None	shame on some members here. Even the french police are more radical Apocis than some members here



Fire	Yesterday, 4:19 AM Post #24
Posts: 2,317 Group: Elite Member #56 Joined: Feb 5, 2013	Turks in the turkish occupied Kurdish city of Dilok (Gaziantep in the turkish occupation language) celebrating the terrorist attacks of Paris. Edited by Fire, Yesterday, 4:26 AM.



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