The rise of "Turkish nationalism" in Bakûr

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The rise of "Turkish nationalism" in Bakûr; Look at these pictures...
Topic Started: 15th March 2015 - 06:16 PM (1,577 Views)
Ali Alqosh	15th March 2015 - 06:16 PM Post #1
Serheng Posts: 1,431 Group: Senior Members Member #250 Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Mood None	These are just few of them. I have seen videos of big MHP meetings in Amed and Hakkari?! Wtf is this. Kurds are being brainwashed by all the propaganda. EDit: That is supposed to be Hakkari and Amed!!! Attached to this post: image.jpg (266.18 KB) image.jpg (128.25 KB) Edited by Ali Alqosh, 15th March 2015 - 06:17 PM.



Qandil	15th March 2015 - 07:39 PM Post #2
Posts: 4,230 Group: Moderators Member #4 Joined: Nov 20, 2012 Mood None	MHP much like the AKP, mobilizes thousand of people to come to Kurdish cities. Everytime before Erdogan or the dog above comes to Kurdistan (or just areas where they lack support), there's thousand of busses with supporters who come and support them. But yes, we do have a lot of cahs in Bakur.



Worldwar2boy	15th March 2015 - 07:43 PM Post #3
Kurdistan, Yan Naman. Posts: 4,413 Group: Senior Members Member #16 Joined: Dec 6, 2012 Mood Angry	erdogan a nationalist though ? he's more like an islamist, aren't islamists anti-nationalism ? didnt he get rid off some atagay things?



Ali Alqosh	15th March 2015 - 07:46 PM Post #4
Serheng Posts: 1,431 Group: Senior Members Member #250 Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Mood None	Worldwar2boy 15th March 2015 - 07:43 PM erdogan a nationalist though ? he's more like an islamist, aren't islamists anti-nationalism ? didnt he get rid off some atagay things? It depends. He changes his mind every month



Fire	15th March 2015 - 08:09 PM Post #5
Serheng Posts: 1,859 Group: Elite Member #56 Joined: Feb 5, 2013	Worldwar2boy 15th March 2015 - 07:43 PM erdogan a nationalist though ? he's more like an islamist, aren't islamists anti-nationalism ? didnt he get rid off some atagay things? Not in the case of Turks. And thats one of the main differences between Kurds and Turks. Even the most extreme turkish islamist is a nationalist at the same time and has a very deep hate against Kurds. You'll see a turkish flag in every turkish mosque. Kurdish Islamists on the other side are traitors for most of the time who are Anti-nationalists, and even work together with Turks against their own Kurdish (nationalist) compatriots. Huda Par is a perfect example for that. If Kurdish Islamists were nationalists at the same time, it would be so much easier in Bakur. Well not just Bakur, but everywhere in Kurdistan. Edited by Fire, 15th March 2015 - 08:13 PM.



Worldwar2boy	15th March 2015 - 08:12 PM Post #6
Kurdistan, Yan Naman. Posts: 4,413 Group: Senior Members Member #16 Joined: Dec 6, 2012 Mood Angry	Fire 15th March 2015 - 08:09 PM Worldwar2boy 15th March 2015 - 07:43 PM erdogan a nationalist though ? he's more like an islamist, aren't islamists anti-nationalism ? didnt he get rid off some atagay things? Not in the case of Turks. And thats one of the main differences between Kurds and Turks. Even the most extreme turkish islamist is a nationalist at the same time and has a very deep hate against Kurds while Kurdish Islamists are traitors for most of the time who are Anti-nationalists, and even work together with Turks against their own Kurdish (nationalist) compatriots. Huda Par is a perfect example for that. If Kurdish Islamists were nationalists at the same time, it would be so much easier in Bakur. Well not just Bakur, but everywhere in Kurdistan. Uhm, not sure about that. Weren't some Kurdish revolts started by Kurdish mullahs etc. ? Like Shex Said Piran revolt in Bakur, the Kurdish Kingdom in Bashur (Shex Mahmud Revolt), etc. ?



Fire	15th March 2015 - 08:16 PM Post #7
Serheng Posts: 1,859 Group: Elite Member #56 Joined: Feb 5, 2013	I don't deny that and there are a few very good exceptions, no doubt. But overall, the Kurdish Islamists in Bakur are very anti-nationalist and rather prefer to live in a Islamic bond/brotherhood with Turks. And that's the main reason, why AKP still get so many votes in Bakur. These Kurdish Islamists are the backbone of Turkish nationalism in the fight against Kurds but they don't even realize it.



jjmuneer	15th March 2015 - 08:52 PM Post #8
KSS Salar Posts: 8,445 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	You guys are mixing two terms and concepts with one another. Being religious doesn't make you an Islamist, just as being an Islamist doesn't make you religious.



Zinar	15th March 2015 - 09:00 PM Post #9
Xorteki Kurdistani Posts: 2,580 Group: Elite Member #318 Joined: Dec 20, 2013 Mood None	MHP in Erzincan MHP in Elazig MHP in Meleti



Fire	15th March 2015 - 09:09 PM Post #10
Serheng Posts: 1,859 Group: Elite Member #56 Joined: Feb 5, 2013	Yes. And my problem is not Islam, neither religious Kurds. My problem is with those Kurds who exaggerrate their religious beliefs so much that they push their own nationality to the background, maybe even denying it and feeling closer and more connected to a turk or an arab than to their own compatriot, let's say to a Kurdish Yazidi, Alevi or atheist. You'll obviously find the same attitude in the Yazidi and Alevi society as well. Alevi Kurds, who'll maybe feel closer to Turkish Alevis than to Kurdish Sunnis. You have this attitude throughout the whole Kurdish society. And thats because of the lack of nationalism and patriosm inside our society, especially in Bakur. Turks have been successful in dividing Kurds into many groups and make them hate each other. What we need in Bakur is a increase of Kurdish nationalism and nationhood. So that Kurds of all religions and beliefs finally become one and realize who the real enemy (Turks) is. Edited by Fire, 15th March 2015 - 09:10 PM.



Ali Alqosh	15th March 2015 - 09:16 PM Post #11
Serheng Posts: 1,431 Group: Senior Members Member #250 Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Mood None	Zinar 15th March 2015 - 09:00 PM MHP in Erzincan MHP in Elazig MHP in Meleti Kako they have taken over meleti. The women are walking around like terrorists there and the men are horny sons of fks! EDIT: I git what you meant, I didn't post this to insult you but to discuss about how they can be in the heart of our nation that's all. Edited by Ali Alqosh**, 15th March 2015 - 09:17 PM.



Zinar	15th March 2015 - 09:17 PM Post #12
Xorteki Kurdistani Posts: 2,580 Group: Elite Member #318 Joined: Dec 20, 2013 Mood None	In erzingan city there are around 50.000 voters 28.000 Vote for AKP 16.000 Vote for MHP 6.400 Vote for CHP 500 vote for HDP. in the presidental election HDP got 6000 votes in Erzingan im glad it increased. In 4 districts outside Erzincan city MHP is first party and in 3 districts AKP is first party. In meleti there are around 400.000 available voters 280.000 vote for AKP 80.000 vote for kemalist CHP 45.000 vote for Islamic turk party Saadet partisi 35.000 Vote for MHP turks 7000 vote for HDP however in this last election with Selahattin demirtas HDP's votes in meleti increased from 6000 to 28.000 Edited by Zinar, 15th March 2015 - 09:20 PM.



Zinar	15th March 2015 - 09:19 PM Post #13
Xorteki Kurdistani Posts: 2,580 Group: Elite Member #318 Joined: Dec 20, 2013 Mood None	Ali Alqosh 15th March 2015 - 09:16 PM Zinar 15th March 2015 - 09:00 PM MHP in Erzincan MHP in Elazig MHP in Meleti Kako they have taken over meleti. The women are walking around like terrorists there and the men are horny sons of f**ks! EDIT: I git what you meant, I didn't post this to insult you but to discuss about how they can be in the heart of our nation that's all. no im just analyizing bremin



Zinar	15th March 2015 - 09:26 PM Post #14
Xorteki Kurdistani Posts: 2,580 Group: Elite Member #318 Joined: Dec 20, 2013 Mood None	Now Elazig (Im partly from elaziz) In elazig there are 200.000 voters 105.000 vote for AKP 55.000 vote for MHP 13.000 vote for CHP 8000 vote for HDP HOWEVER in this last election our votes increased massively in Elazig 200.000 voted for AKP 50.000 for CHP+MHP combined 35.000 for HDP now kurds got around 11% of all votes in elaziz while we used to get 1-2% before. and in all districts of elazig we are second place which means we are before MHP and CHP plus in karakocan district we are first party. Edited by Zinar, 15th March 2015 - 09:27 PM.



Fire	15th March 2015 - 09:28 PM Post #15
Serheng Posts: 1,859 Group: Elite Member #56 Joined: Feb 5, 2013	Cities like Erzincan, Elazig , Meleti are infiltrated by Turks and a cultural genocide was commited. The Kurdish population has been dispelled or pushed into lonely/small districts in the outskirts of the city while the city itself or the innercity is infiltrated with Turks. And most of the time Bozkurt Turks. And when there are elections, the Kurds in the outskirts of the city can't even vote as there is not even a polling station in their area. I wrote a couple of months ago that the turkish government already had new plans of putting 700 000 Turks into Bakur. The prime goal obviously is to make all Kurdish cities at the end multi-cultural, infiltrating it with turkish scum. The time will come where they will even try it with Sirnex and Colemerg, our two most Kurdish nationalist cities in Bakur. Luckily the Kurdish birth-rate is high.



jjmuneer	15th March 2015 - 09:30 PM Post #16
KSS Salar Posts: 8,445 Group: Elite Member #158 Joined: May 30, 2013 Mood None	Fire 15th March 2015 - 09:28 PM Cities like Erzincan, Elazig , Meleti are infiltrated by Turks and a cultural genocide was commited. The Kurdish population has been dispelled or pushed into lonely/small districts in the outskirts of the city while the city itself or the innercity is infiltrated with Turks. And most of the time Bozkurt Turks. And when there are elections, the Kurds in the outskirts of the city can't even vote as there is not even a polling station in their area. I wrote a couple of months ago that the turkish government already had new plans of putting 700 000 Turks into Bakur. The prime goal obviously is to make all Kurdish cities at the end multi-cultural, infiltrating it with turkish scum. The time will come where they will even try it with Sirnex and Colemerg, our two most Kurdish nationalist cities in Bakur. Luckily the Kurdish birth-rate is high. Isn't our birth rate already higher than that of Turks? We'll take over Turkey with our numbers.



Fire	15th March 2015 - 09:33 PM Post #17
Serheng Posts: 1,859 Group: Elite Member #56 Joined: Feb 5, 2013	Our birth rate is higher Heval but we are also dying a lot more than Turks. Many YPG warriors in Rojava are Kurds from Bakur. The whole war against Daash and in Bakur obviously as well (Turkish police is killing Kurds on a regular basis) diminishes our advantage , we have in terms of birth-rate against Turks.



Ali Alqosh	15th March 2015 - 09:41 PM Post #18
Serheng Posts: 1,431 Group: Senior Members Member #250 Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Mood None	Fire 15th March 2015 - 09:28 PM Cities like Erzincan, Elazig , Meleti are infiltrated by Turks and a cultural genocide was commited. The Kurdish population has been dispelled or pushed into lonely/small districts in the outskirts of the city while the city itself or the innercity is infiltrated with Turks. And most of the time Bozkurt Turks. And when there are elections, the Kurds in the outskirts of the city can't even vote as there is not even a polling station in their area. I wrote a couple of months ago that the turkish government already had new plans of putting 700 000 Turks into Bakur. The prime goal obviously is to make all Kurdish cities at the end multi-cultural, infiltrating it with turkish scum. The time will come where they will even try it with Sirnex and Colemerg, our two most Kurdish nationalist cities in Bakur. Luckily the Kurdish birth-rate is high. Yes they tricked our population. If it weren't for us anatolian kurds and Armenians Turkey wouldn't exist. We have always fought their wars and have been known in the entire ME for our great combat skills. Some of my tribesmembers fought for Ataturk. Do you know how ashamed I am of that? In the 80s we aligned ourselves with the PKK thou and they slaughtered 9 of us when they were resting in zozan. I can't understand how they fought for Ataturk!? Although there were pretty much no other option we could have armed ourselves and not fought for anyone else.



Ali Alqosh	15th March 2015 - 09:45 PM Post #19
Serheng Posts: 1,431 Group: Senior Members Member #250 Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Mood None	Fire 15th March 2015 - 09:09 PM Yes. And my problem is not Islam, neither religious Kurds. My problem is with those Kurds who exaggerrate their religious beliefs so much that they push their own nationality to the background, maybe even denying it and feeling closer and more connected to a turk or an arab than to their own compatriot, let's say to a Kurdish Yazidi, Alevi or atheist. You'll obviously find the same attitude in the Yazidi and Alevi society as well. Alevi Kurds, who'll maybe feel closer to Turkish Alevis than to Kurdish Sunnis. You have this attitude throughout the whole Kurdish society. And thats because of the lack of nationalism and patriosm inside our society, especially in Bakur. Turks have been successful in dividing Kurds into many groups and make them hate each other. What we need in Bakur is a increase of Kurdish nationalism and nationhood. So that Kurds of all religions and beliefs finally become one and realize who the real enemy (Turks) is. Exactly. There is one thing that unites all turks and that is their hate against us.



Fire	15th March 2015 - 09:54 PM Post #20
Serheng Posts: 1,859 Group: Elite Member #56 Joined: Feb 5, 2013	Yes, that's the key point. It doesn't matter whether it is an AKP, CHP or MHP voter. Whether it is a Islamist, Kemalist, Ultranationalist or even Leftist. When it comes to Kurds and their hate against Kurds they become one. And that's the main difference to us. We have leftist hippies and anti-nationalists in our ranks who want to fulfill their sick dream of an "ortak vatan, ortak cumhuriyet" (one home, one republic). Those people say no to an Independent Kurdistan and see Turkey as their home country. Well, you've probably realized it. I'm speaking about HDP lol.



Ali Alqosh	15th March 2015 - 09:56 PM Post #21
Serheng Posts: 1,431 Group: Senior Members Member #250 Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Mood None	jjmuneer 15th March 2015 - 09:30 PM Fire 15th March 2015 - 09:28 PM Cities like Erzincan, Elazig , Meleti are infiltrated by Turks and a cultural genocide was commited. The Kurdish population has been dispelled or pushed into lonely/small districts in the outskirts of the city while the city itself or the innercity is infiltrated with Turks. And most of the time Bozkurt Turks. And when there are elections, the Kurds in the outskirts of the city can't even vote as there is not even a polling station in their area. I wrote a couple of months ago that the turkish government already had new plans of putting 700 000 Turks into Bakur. The prime goal obviously is to make all Kurdish cities at the end multi-cultural, infiltrating it with turkish scum. The time will come where they will even try it with Sirnex and Colemerg, our two most Kurdish nationalist cities in Bakur. Luckily the Kurdish birth-rate is high. Isn't our birth rate already higher than that of Turks? We'll take over Turkey with our numbers. Yes true but the problem is that our culture and language is dying in Bakur. Dunno if you realized but many of the HPG fighters that were in Sengal and in girkok now can't speak kurdish but instead speak turkish



Rizgaar	16th March 2015 - 05:24 AM Post #22
Pêşeng Posts: 302 Group: Members Member #619 Joined: Jan 26, 2015	We need a "Kurdish nationalistic" party in Bakur. A party that places the Kurdish identity above everything else and fights for Kurdistan. The PKK is not the answer with their confused ideologies and obvious gravitation towards communism which is harming the Kurdish cause in terms of support from the rest of the world, especially the west. The Kurds would get much more support and legitimacy in Bakur if they had a a free Kurdish leader who could speak Kurdish and who fights for only Kurds and Kurdistan. I'm sure even the Kurds in Bakur would be much more supportive of such a party.



Ali Alqosh	16th March 2015 - 05:34 AM Post #23
Serheng Posts: 1,431 Group: Senior Members Member #250 Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Mood None	Rizgaar 16th March 2015 - 05:24 AM We need a "Kurdish nationalistic" party in Bakur. A party that places the Kurdish identity above everything else and fights for Kurdistan. The PKK is not the answer with their confused ideologies and obvious gravitation towards communism which is harming the Kurdish cause in terms of support from the rest of the world, especially the west. The Kurds would get much more support and legitimacy in Bakur if they had a a free Kurdish leader who could speak Kurdish and who fights for only Kurds and Kurdistan. I'm sure even the Kurds in Bakur would be much more supportive of such a party. Unfortunately it is not that easy. Not in Bakur. Can't explain right now thou will do when I find the time and will for it.



UKurd	16th March 2015 - 05:39 AM Post #24
Saroki Rexrawi Radical Posts: 1,517 Group: Elite Member #401 Joined: Apr 16, 2014 Mood None	The "rise" of Turkish nationalism is much less of a worry than the lack of Kurdish nationalism. The more oppressive & racist Turkey is, the more chance of a revolution in Turkey, but without Kurdish nationalism, this is impossible, their is a severe lack of Kurdish nationalism throughout Kurdistan, from Bashur to Rojhelat to Bakur. ( rojawa is in a war where ypg is covering everything with propaganda so it's hard to tell I they too suffer from a lack of nationalism, I sincerely hope they do not )



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