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PDF cataloguing IS weapons taken in north-syria by kurdish forces
Topic Started: 9th September 2014 - 03:54 AM (13,157 Views)
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9th September 2014 - 05:05 AM
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9th September 2014 - 05:03 AM
You value "Feylistan" or whatever you call it more than Kurdistan, so a more appropriate name would be "EzFeylim"
Stop being a hypocrite, you can gloat meanwhile everything is guranteed for your own tribe. But it bothers you so much, that feylis want the same for their areas. Whether you like it or not, we value our regional identity.
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Except PKK changed their name again, it's PKH now
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9th September 2014 - 05:07 AM
Karker
9th September 2014 - 05:05 AM
How so?

Question. Which party is fighting in feyli regions?
All I'm saying is that we should form a national liberation force that is not exclusive to any region but for all of Kurdistan.
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9th September 2014 - 05:09 AM
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9th September 2014 - 05:07 AM
All I'm saying is that we should form a national liberation force that is not exclusive to any region but for all of Kurdistan.
Who said anything about exclusion? No Kurdish party is even bothering with feyli areas. "we're shia, we like iranians". well no one wants to bother, so we gotta fight for it ourselves. Hence a feyli paramilitary, and feylis did have alot of experience in fighting as pesh and even as militias fighting saddam.
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This is NOT a forum for you to discuss ways of organizing OUTSIDE OF KURDISTAN. If I catch you again I will ban you.
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lashgare
9th September 2014 - 05:08 AM
Karker
9th September 2014 - 05:05 AM
Stop being a hypocrite, you can gloat meanwhile everything is guranteed for your own tribe. But it bothers you so much, that feylis want the same for their areas. Whether you like it or not, we value our regional identity.
Whaat? I don't give a shizz about my "clan".
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9th September 2014 - 05:07 AM
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9th September 2014 - 05:02 AM
If you notice something all those parties have "Kurdistan" in their name, not "Kurmanjistan" or "Soranistan".
Yeah, that's why they're so sucessful in uniting. There are so many disagreements between different political ideologies, regions, economy, tribes, disagreements over capital, which dialect is the real kurdish. Sorry, you're talking from a secure position. Only a kurdish state federation would work. And feylis want their own region in such a federation. Only that way can we secure the prosperity and integrity.


Alanjunior
9th September 2014 - 05:07 AM

This is NOT a forum for you to discuss ways of organizing OUTSIDE OF KURDISTAN. If I catch you again I will ban you.

We're not talking about organizing outside of kurdistan. We support the formation of a kurdish state, and a federation. But we also want control over our region.

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9th September 2014 - 05:11 AM
Karker
9th September 2014 - 05:09 AM
Who said anything about exclusion? No Kurdish party is even bothering with feyli areas. "we're shia, we like iranians". well no one wants to bother, so we gotta fight for it ourselves. Hence a feyli paramilitary, and feylis did have alot of experience in fighting as pesh and even as militias fighting saddam.
Yes all these parties were at first fighting exclusively for a certain region but I don't agree with that, hence I think all these parties should be disintegrated and form a national liberation force where they free all of Kurdistan, including the Feyli areas.
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lashgare
9th September 2014 - 05:13 AM
Karker
9th September 2014 - 05:07 AM
Yeah, that's why they're so sucessful in uniting. There are so many disagreements between different political ideologies, regions, economy, tribes, disagreements over capital, which dialect is the real kurdish. Sorry, you're talking from a secure position. Only a kurdish state federation would work. And feylis want their own region in such a federation. Only that way can we secure the prosperity and integrity.
In other words you want to divide Kurdistan, that is essentially the purpose of a federation where each region get's to rule itself.
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9th September 2014 - 05:14 AM
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9th September 2014 - 05:11 AM
Yes all these parties were at first fighting exclusively for a certain region but I don't agree with that, hence I think all these parties should be disintegrated and form a national liberation force where they free all of Kurdistan, including the Feyli areas.
So how is feyli kurdish paramilitary organizations against this idea exactly? Not when we're not united?


Karker
9th September 2014 - 05:14 AM

In other words you want to divide Kurdistan, that is essentially the purpose of a federation where each region get's to rule itself.

What's wrong with that? You've seen the disagreements here. It's not divisive, because in that case there would be a federal parliment, federal elections, with also a state parliments and state elections. All institutions and the constitution would be shared. As would be resources. But every region gets to represent itself in kurdistan. Whats so bad about that?
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9th September 2014 - 05:14 AM
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9th September 2014 - 05:11 AM
Yes all these parties were at first fighting exclusively for a certain region but I don't agree with that, hence I think all these parties should be disintegrated and form a national liberation force where they free all of Kurdistan, including the Feyli areas.
Yes, but you don't understand what I'm telling you. PDK and PUK are in SK and generally operate in the Sorani areas. YPG have WK. PKK/BDP have NK Kurmanjis. PDKI/KOMALA got EK Soranis and Kurmancis. Feylis don't have anyone. It's not a case of "tribalism" or a seperate state, but reprensetation. Kurdistan is most likely going to be federated bewteen the clan provincial regions, atleast in it's beginning of independance.
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Hes spreading division among kurds!! Bann him ffs!!! If i said anything about a independant bakuristan or a bakuri military force i would've be perma banned.

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9th September 2014 - 05:17 AM
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9th September 2014 - 05:14 AM
So how is feyli kurdish paramilitary organizations against this idea exactly? Not when we're not united?
We should fight for a free Kurdistan, not for our tribal or clan regions. So far only KCK has tried to accomplish that with having their units in all 4 parts of Kurdistan.
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9th September 2014 - 05:19 AM
Hes spreading division among kurds!! Bann him ffs!!! If i said anything about a independant bakuristan or a bakuri military force i would've be perma banned.
Yeah, that comes from the guy who calls feylis, shiahs and IRI agents. Leave this thread shit-stirrer. We why you're here. Pay lip service to "UNITED KURDISTAN" then say that you think feylis are persian and Iranian spies. Grow some brains kid.

I've never suggested a division or a seperate country, i only suggested a federation. Thousands of ethnicities have had federations in the past. Including native-americans, africans, other people. There is nothing wrong with it. It will still be an ethnicity ruling a country, but divided on states that represent each unique region.
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9th September 2014 - 05:18 AM
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9th September 2014 - 05:14 AM
Yes, but you don't understand what I'm telling you. PDK and PUK are in SK and generally operate in the Sorani areas. YPG have WK. PKK/BDP have NK Kurmanjis. PDKI/KOMALA got EK Soranis and Kurmancis. Feylis don't have anyone. It's not a case of "tribalism" or a seperate state, but reprensetation. Kurdistan is most likely going to be federated bewteen the clan provincial regions, atleast in it's beginning of independance.
And I disagree with all of that. YPG, PKK, PDK, PUK, PDKI and literally every other Kurdish organization should come together and form a national liberation force. Isn't that what the Kurdish congress was supposed to be about? It's a shame it failed. Their should be brigades tasked with liberating Feyli areas, Sorani areas. I have no issue with that. Qazi Mohammed wanted us to unite, for the sake of freeing Kurdistan. If we have militias or paramilitary organizations for every clan area in Kurdistan it would just cause problems. There should be one central command, one goal.

That's the first thing that I disagree with about our ancestors. They decided to form regional liberation forces, not national liberation forces.

Sorry Alanj...
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lashgare
9th September 2014 - 05:22 AM
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Hes spreading division among kurds!! Bann him ffs!!! If i said anything about a independant bakuristan or a bakuri military force i would've be perma banned.
Yeah, that comes from the guy who calls feylis, shiahs and IRI agents. Leave this thread shit-stirrer. We why you're here. Pay lip service to "UNITED KURDISTAN" then say that you think feylis are persian and Iranian spies. Grow some brains kid.
Keep insulting me you sad farsi, get a life should i go to persian forums and troll them? Cant you fk off and go back to your farsi nest? Your promoting division among kurds which is disgusting, also i do not hate faylee kurds i just find you disgusting and i doubt your kurdishness, kurds dont get emotional like girls on their periods only farsi are like that :)

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Her biji a united KURDISTAN , who ever promotes divison among kurds are/is my enemy!

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9th September 2014 - 05:25 AM
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9th September 2014 - 05:18 AM
And I disagree with all of that. YPG, PKK, PDK, PUK, PDKI and literally every other Kurdish organization should come together and form a national liberation force. Isn't that what the Kurdish congress was supposed to be about? It's a shame it failed. Their should be brigades tasked with liberating Feyli areas, Sorani areas. I have no issue with that. Qazi Mohammed wanted us to unite, for the sake of freeing Kurdistan. If we have militias or paramilitary organizations for every clan area in Kurdistan it would just cause problems. There should be one central command, one goal.

That's the first thing that I disagree with about our ancestors. They decided to form regional liberation forces, not national liberation forces.

Sorry Alanj...
I agree with that, but sadly it's not the problem of Barzani or any other Kurdish leader; just human nature. We like a share of the pie. ;-)
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I want ALAN to lock this anti unity topic as soon as possible.

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9th September 2014 - 05:27 AM
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I agree with that, but sadly it's not the problem of Barzani or any other Kurdish leader; just human nature. We like a share of the pie. ;-)
I just wish it could be different, but we have the habit of not learning from human mistakes.
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And I disagree with all of that. YPG, PKK, PDK, PUK, PDKI and literally every other Kurdish organization should come together and form a national liberation force. Isn't that what the Kurdish congress was supposed to be about? It's a shame it failed. Their should be brigades tasked with liberating Feyli areas, Sorani areas. I have no issue with that. Qazi Mohammed wanted us to unite, for the sake of freeing Kurdistan. If we have militias or paramilitary organizations for every clan area in Kurdistan it would just cause problems. There should be one central command, one goal.

That's the first thing that I disagree with about our ancestors. They decided to form regional liberation forces, not national liberation forces.

Sorry Alanj...
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And I disagree with all of that. YPG, PKK, PDK, PUK, PDKI and literally every other Kurdish organization should come together and form a national liberation force. Isn't that what the Kurdish congress was supposed to be about? It's a shame it failed. Their should be brigades tasked with liberating Feyli areas, Sorani areas. I have no issue with that. Qazi Mohammed wanted us to unite, for the sake of freeing Kurdistan. If we have militias or paramilitary organizations for every clan area in Kurdistan it would just cause problems. There should be one central command, one goal.

That's the first thing that I disagree with about our ancestors. They decided to form regional liberation forces, not national liberation forces.




Actually the congress failing makes sense. Because there is such a huge diversity in the takes on kurdish issues, goals, ideologies, political leadership. If anything a federation would unite us, because it would mean a country where all these differences can co-exist. That's what people. If the federation is sucessful.



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Keep insulting me you sad farsi, get a life should i go to persian forums and troll them? Cant you fk off and go back to your farsi nest? Your promoting division among kurds which is disgusting, also i do not hate faylee kurds i just find you disgusting and i doubt your kurdishness, kurds dont get emotional like girls on their periods only farsi are like that


Ok... go play fotball with your egyptian friend, the same egyptians that supported saddam. I'm done with you, you're ignored. If feylis are persian, why are you saying we're kurdish then? You do hate feyli kurds because they're shiahs. You have a pathological obsession with attacking feyli kurds. The irony is that the guy who has a signature of his own region is saying i'm dividing kurds, for suggesting a federation.
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Alan please lock this topic its promoting division among kurds! I smell pan iranism here!

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Like i've repeated a million times, a federation is not a division. Germany is a federation. Do people here consider germans a divided nation?

Here is a definition of federation:

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A federation (from Latin: foedus, gen.: foederis, "covenant"), also known as a federal state, is a political entity characterized by a union of partially self-governing states or regions under a central (federal) government. In a federation, the self-governing status of the component states, as well as the division of power between them and the central government, are typically constitutionally entrenched and may not be altered by a unilateral decision of either party, the states or the federal political body.


Does it say anywhere, a division of country or ethnicity?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation

What don't people understand? A federation has self-governing states, it's not a division of nation or ethnicity. Why are people against that exactly? What would happen if kurdistan declared a federation? Would all kurds suddenly stop being kurds? I don't understand the logic of people here. As soon as you mention federation, suddenly you're against kurds forming a country. It's not logical. We're going to create united country for all kurds, but a federation as a political-system would work best to unite us.



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IS fighters in Syria also get French weapons sent to the Syrian rebels. But the Syrian rebels collapsed and IS now own them...
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PS: I can't believe we sent FAMAS to the Syrian rebels and not to the Peshemergas... thumbsdown This is crazy :koko:
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Not only that Frenchy. The West send weapons to the "Rebels" during a time when there was even less clear diverge between FSA and ISIS, Al Qaida.
So weapons given to FSA automatically ended up among ISIS too.

And ad to that. Allot of Western made weapons get directly to ISIS through Qatar and Turkey, who are both Western allies and do have a big arsenal of western weapons.

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