[ti]DA[/ti]Source for Chaldean Kurdish origin

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[ti]DA[/ti]Source for Chaldean Kurdish origin
Topic Started: 17th June 2014 - 01:09 AM (3,457 Views)
Kurdistano	17th June 2014 - 01:09 AM Post #1
Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	Guys does any of you still have the british source in which the Chaldeans are called Christian Kurds I need them.



Xoybun	17th June 2014 - 01:53 AM Post #2
PERMANENTLY BANNED Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: Dec 5, 2012 Mood None	They are not Kurds, they are invaders related to Assyrians....they got owned by Medes too



Kurdistano	17th June 2014 - 02:01 AM Post #3
Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	There are british sources which show that they are Christian Kurds. Chaldeans are different from Assyrians. They are Kurdish friendly. Also Assyrians used to call them "magicans" magican was a cast among Medes.



Zinar	17th June 2014 - 02:02 AM Post #4
Keke Posts: 2,664 Group: Elite Member #318 Joined: Dec 20, 2013 Mood None	I agree all the chaldeans i meet are friendly towards kurds and they all speak kurdish. Edited by Zinar, 17th June 2014 - 02:02 AM.



the SUN child	17th June 2014 - 02:09 AM Post #5
ZAGROS-ARYAN Posts: 2,776 Group: Senior Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 2, 2013 Mood None	I can't find the British sources. But in the Greek sources Zoroaster is often described as the 'Chaldean' and magi as the 'Chaldeans.' I attached an article about Ezdi ( The Diverse Heritage of Yezidi Tradition ) where this has been said in .pdf file. Attached to this post: The_Diverse_Heritageof_Yezidi_Tradition.pdf (1.79 MB) Edited by the SUN child, 17th June 2014 - 02:19 AM.



the SUN child	17th June 2014 - 02:11 AM Post #6
ZAGROS-ARYAN Posts: 2,776 Group: Senior Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 2, 2013 Mood None	"The Chaldean Oracles of Zoroaster, Hekate’s Couch, and Platonic Orientalism in Psellos and Plethon" by Dylan Burns http://www.academia.edu/199081/The_Chaldean_Oracles_of_Zoroaster_Hekates_Couch_and_Platonic_Orientalism_in_Psellos_and_Plethon



Xoybun	17th June 2014 - 02:21 AM Post #7
PERMANENTLY BANNED Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: Dec 5, 2012 Mood None	Chaldeans are semitic and are in no way associated to Kurds. Chaldeans are a more nationalist variant of Assyrians. The Chaldeans I met were very pro-Saddam and hate Kurds, some of them made fun of Anfal victims.



the SUN child	17th June 2014 - 02:30 AM Post #8
ZAGROS-ARYAN Posts: 2,776 Group: Senior Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 2, 2013 Mood None	Xoybun 17th June 2014 - 02:21 AM Chaldeans are semitic and are in no way associated to Kurds. Chaldeans are a more nationalist variant of Assyrians. The Chaldeans I met were very pro-Saddam and hate Kurds, some of them made fun of Anfal victims. No Chaldeans are the best. It's true that they are more Semitic than we Kurds are, but Chaldeans are partly Iranic (Median/Kurdic). They have lots of Gedrosia aDNA in them, more than Armenians and Assyrians do. Real semites like Saudi Arabs don't have Gedrosia in them at all. Chaldeans are our brothers. Edited by the SUN child, 17th June 2014 - 02:31 AM.



Xoybun	17th June 2014 - 02:39 AM Post #9
PERMANENTLY BANNED Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: Dec 5, 2012 Mood None	the SUN child 17th June 2014 - 02:30 AM Xoybun 17th June 2014 - 02:21 AM Chaldeans are semitic and are in no way associated to Kurds. Chaldeans are a more nationalist variant of Assyrians. The Chaldeans I met were very pro-Saddam and hate Kurds, some of them made fun of Anfal victims. No Chaldeans are the best. It's true that they are more Semitic than we Kurds are, but Chaldeans are partly Iranic (Median/Kurdic). They have lots of Gedrosia aDNA in them, more than Armenians and Assyrians do. Real semites like Saudi Arabs don't have Gedrosia in them at all. Chaldeans are our brothers. I don't understand why you even call yourself a nationalist Ok ok bra they are our brothers, we share everything, and we are very semitic suddenly (really, aren't you ashamed of this statement?) and if we gave them power they would never use it against us, how can they brother right, they are the same blood . And lets not forget that they also speak fluently Kurdish, and they don't speak Arabic, lastly they hate Iraq Edited by Xoybun, 17th June 2014 - 02:48 AM.



Xoybun	17th June 2014 - 02:42 AM Post #10
PERMANENTLY BANNED Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: Dec 5, 2012 Mood None	I suppose you would also claim Persians to be our brothers too, since they are more related to us than Chaldeans? Bro, listen to yourself...has a Chaldean girl corrupted you?



the SUN child	17th June 2014 - 02:49 AM Post #11
ZAGROS-ARYAN Posts: 2,776 Group: Senior Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 2, 2013 Mood None	Honestly, never met a bad Chaldean in my life! Together with the ancient Chaldeans (neo-Babylonians, mixed with Mitanni/Kassites and other ancient Iranic tribes) the Medes (Kurds) defeated the Assyrian Empire. Since that moment ancient Chaldeans and the ancient Medes grow closer to each other. As time passed by, Chaldeans (already mixed with Iranic people) were little by little genetically more influenced by the Aryans (Kurds/Medes) from the Aryan Zagros Mountains. Also, all Kurds have some Semitic blood/DNA in us from the ancient Jews and Chaldeans. Ancient Persians were Kurds from Aryan Kurdish Zagros Mountains. Edited by the SUN child, 17th June 2014 - 02:52 AM.



Kurdistano	17th June 2014 - 03:43 AM Post #12
Posts: 3,103 Group: Senior Members Member #12 Joined: Dec 3, 2012	the SUN child 17th June 2014 - 02:09 AM I can't find the British sources. But in the Greek sources Zoroaster is often described as the 'Chaldean' and magi as the 'Chaldeans.' I attached an article about Ezdi ( The Diverse Heritage of Yezidi Tradition ) where this has been said in .pdf file. Could you give the exact page please. thanks.



the SUN child	17th June 2014 - 04:10 AM Post #13
ZAGROS-ARYAN Posts: 2,776 Group: Senior Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 2, 2013 Mood None	Kurdistano 17th June 2014 - 03:43 AM the SUN child 17th June 2014 - 02:09 AM I can't find the British sources. But in the Greek sources Zoroaster is often described as the 'Chaldean' and magi as the 'Chaldeans.' I attached an article about Ezdi ( The Diverse Heritage of Yezidi Tradition ) where this has been said in .pdf file. Could you give the exact page please. thanks. Page 70-71 (page 70, footnote 84) of the article about the Chaldeans and Oracles of Zoroaster, or as the Magic Oracles of Zoroastrian Magi Footnote 84: " In the Greek sources Zoroaster is often described as the “Chaldean” and magi as the “Chaldeans.” Cf. Bidez, Cumont, 1938: 252; des Places, 1971: 52 f..; Burns, 2006: 158–179. " I believe that Chaldeans and other people who later in our era became known as Chaldeans were Zoroastrians before they became Christians. But the thing with Christianity, unlike with the Yezidism, is that EVRYBODY and every race can become a Christian, Arabs & Turkman can be Christians too. So that's why current Chaldeans are not 100% exactly the same as ancient Zoroastrian Chaldeans. Ancient Zoroastrian Chaldean had close ties witch the Medes.



Worldwar2boy	18th June 2014 - 04:17 PM Post #14
BANNED Posts: 4,854 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: Dec 6, 2012 Mood None	Xoybun 17th June 2014 - 02:39 AM the SUN child 17th June 2014 - 02:30 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep I don't understand why you even call yourself a nationalist Ok ok bra they are our brothers, we share everything, and we are very semitic suddenly (really, aren't you ashamed of this statement?) and if we gave them power they would never use it against us, how can they brother right, they are the same blood . And lets not forget that they also speak fluently Kurdish, and they don't speak Arabic, lastly they hate Iraq How can you call yourself a nationalist by excluding possible Kurdish minorities/groups? Chaldeans I have met are very pro Kurdish, and most of them speak Kurdish. They are nothing like the Assyrians. Many of them fought together with Peshmerga.



Worldwar2boy	18th June 2014 - 04:19 PM Post #15
BANNED Posts: 4,854 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: Dec 6, 2012 Mood None	Chaldeans all live in 4 parts of Kurdistan, most of them in Bashur. But also in Bakur, Rojhalat and Rojava. Here are for example Chaldean Christians from Mardin, North-Kurdistan. Look how Kurdish they look:



Worldwar2boy	18th June 2014 - 04:21 PM Post #16
BANNED Posts: 4,854 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: Dec 6, 2012 Mood None	4 of the 5 archbishops live in Kurdistan; There are five archbishops (resident respectively at Basra, Diyarbakır, Kirkuk, Salmas and Urmia) Two of them even in 2 of the most important Kurdish cities; Amed and Kirkuk.



Worldwar2boy	18th June 2014 - 04:22 PM Post #17
BANNED Posts: 4,854 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: Dec 6, 2012 Mood None	yezidi & chaldean leaders meet in Mesopotamia;



ALAN	19th June 2014 - 06:06 PM Post #18
Posts: 30,814 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Nov 16, 2012 Mood None	Chaldeans are pro Kurdish I met one he called Kurdistan flag his flag



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