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| Topic Started: 10th March 2013 - 03:10 AM (106,243 Views) | |
| ALAN | 10th March 2013 - 03:10 AM Post #1 |
 
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i will start by posting some stuff about Islam Vs Kurds |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
 
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| ALAN | 10th March 2013 - 03:11 AM Post #2 |
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Islam doesn't seem to be the right religion of Kurds. The Arabs have always called us the "umawis" and 1400 years ago, they never let a Kurd even ride a horse or hold any posts, pretty much like saddam ، Erdogan , xamanayi or maliki, yes Kurds have posts in Baghdad but with no power it was the same thing back then. The shex of Azhar calls Kurds 'Jews' and to this day no Islamic leader or shex has condemned the Anfal or halabja massacres, are we Muslims or not ? what has Islam brought for us Kurds so far ??? These Islamic parties are put into Kurdistan to cause chaos only nothing more. |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 10th March 2013 - 03:11 AM Post #3 |
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if we were Christians we would have a huge support by US and EU , just look at south Sudan!. i am Muslim by the way, and plan to stay one, my dad has converted to Yazidi but. so i was born as one but everyday i see the religion doing harm to my cause, i am not talking about god/xwa , i believe in him 1000% . its the religion itself i am worried about, its the religion of Arabs and from 1400 years ago till today we are seen as (Umawi) by them not as Muslims so why bother then! do you know what Islam did to us in Jalawla? are you aware that they took our women to Makkaand, had babies from them then when Omer the great Sunni Xalifa saw them he said to them "these filthy jalawlais are dirtying our streets". did we send for them to convert us 1400 years ago !!?? the biggest shex of islam shek azhar calls kurds 'jews' so why should i follow such religion !!! why is it the religion is used against my will and nationalism while arabs persians and turks have the right for nationalism but if i do it its "Haram" !!?? all kurds should consider their religion and think about choosing one that cares about us , yes we can still believe in allah. |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Qandil | 10th March 2013 - 03:18 AM Post #4 |
 
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If we were Christians, I think we would have been slaughtered even more. |
| "Kurdino! Bibin yek; eger hûn nebin yek, hûn ê herin yek bi yek." - Cigerxwîn. | |
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| ALAN | 10th March 2013 - 03:25 AM Post #5 |
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i think it is not fault of arabs or turks, but bcoz islam itself doesn't want to call us Muslims or protect us, are we Muslims or not ? where is their help and "fatwa" to protect us from "Muslims" surrounding us!!! where is the condemnation from any Islamic leader or country towards roboski ? towards halabja ? towards anfal????? on the contrary when Shex Azhar visited turkey he called kurds "fire worshipers" just like the Muslim guy, Kerdogan has been calling us. if Islam , Islamic leaders and Islamic countries do not consider Kurds Muslims why should we keep following such a religion which has not done us any favor towards our freedom and cause!!!! but it was used to get them to power, wealth and recognized states!!?? i suggest you all read the book "islamization of Kurdistan" then you will understand that Islam has actually caused us harm than good, Islam has always been used against our freedom, its happening all over again, the Islamic parties in S.Kurdistan publish books and prohibit "Kurdish nationalism" using Quran!!!! are they for real? i dont see any persian arab or turkish Islamic leaders do such thing with their nationality!! no its bcoz these Islamic virus were put into Kurdistan to repeat the same BS the ottomans pulled on our stupid shexs 90 years ago . In that demos 2 years ago in Sulaimani the Islamic parties were chanting , "Kurdish state is Haram". i heard this with my own ears from TV!!!. i think any religion is better than Islam for us kurds , Islam was sent to Arabs not kurds it was sent to put some "brain" even thou it didnt succeed here is a versus that confirms this "ina anzalna quranan arabian li anakum ta'Qilun", which translates as "we sent Arabs an Arabic Quran so they can grow some sense and brain into themselves". the racissm towards kurds started 1400 years ago when they "quraysh" or Arab Muslims rejected the non quraysh ones to have any power, they refused any non Arab to have any posts or positions or to be wealthy, when they islamized the area, pretty much like today, and imam Ali was killed bcoz he was asking for equal rights between arabs and non arabs. |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Tevger | 10th March 2013 - 03:26 AM Post #6 |
 
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Muslims are not followers of their original books. Islam has become what Catholicism was a few hundreds years ago - a show off. The one who knows most passages, knows most about the books, prays the most etc etc. is the one who is regarded the best Muslim. Islam is the most describing religion of all religions. It is the most political one too. It contains very detailed information on how to treat each other, treat women, treat slaves, treat poor people, treat other ethnical and religious minorities. But all the political parts of Islam has been destroyed. How many Imams or Muftis or Sheiksh do you know who talk about the problems of women, the problems of minorities, the problems of economy. Women, slaves and economy were the Prophet's most focused area. He was most probably influenced by his best friend and his wife who were symbols, living examples, of the problems back then. It is as if the Muslims of today ( and the Muslim elite) has taken all the useless things and made them into something very holy, while all the useful parts of Quran has been deleted. All the political parts of Islam, which I agree almost 100% with, are made into nothing. The useless has become useful, while the useful has become useless. |
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| FeyliKurd | 10th March 2013 - 03:26 AM Post #7 |
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I respect the Ezidi religion simply because it's a Kurdish religion. But I do not like how some of the Ezidis are wearing Arabic clothes. Anyone who knows why they wear arab clothes? |
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| ALAN | 10th March 2013 - 03:34 AM Post #8 |
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Sinjar is where they are and wear they wear the arabic cloths. for many years harsh Baathism and arabization tore Sinjar, they were very deeply brainwashed by saddam that they were not kurds, and he attempted to arabize them but as you can see in the end he failed, now they are very pro KRG, but the cloth thingy will disappear when they mix with KRG more. isolation makes you do things you dont belong to, look at kurds in diaspora lol, i have heard some in US become "thugs" dress and act like one!! |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | 10th March 2013 - 03:37 AM Post #9 |
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look at this arabized Kurd refusing to get up for "ay raqib" only cos it says "din mana aynman har Kurdistan" !!! *Dislike Islam must be kept out of Kurdistan politics whether its NK or SK.
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Deleted User | 10th March 2013 - 04:25 AM Post #10 |
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So true, one Sheikh says one thing, another says another thing. It's not even Sunni vs Shia, it's just different political groups within Islam competeing against eachother. And it's not really the fault of Islam that Kurds have been getting killed, regardless of Islam or of it's non-existence for that matter of fact, Kurds would of been killed still. And you have to remember it was only the lowlander settled Kurds who were subjected to Arab rule, the nomadic herders and highlanders were always at least semi-independant. |
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| Deleted User | 10th March 2013 - 04:26 AM Post #11 |
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Alan I understand your hate for Islam, but you cannot blame Islam for the problem of the Kurds, only blame ourselves. I agree it is the "islamic" countries who are bombing and killing us, but remember these people will be killing us regardless of their faith. Remember Turanian Turks from the east butchering their way to the middle-east? |
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| Xoybun | 10th March 2013 - 05:32 AM Post #12 |
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If we were still Jews, Kurdistan would be as sacred as Israel... to other countries
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| Deleted User | 10th March 2013 - 06:28 AM Post #13 |
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We were Jews? 
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| Xoybun | 10th March 2013 - 06:29 AM Post #14 |
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Yeah, mostly in middle Kurdistan, cities like Kerkuk, Hewler, Duhok, Kurdish part of Mosul, Mahabad and Sine too
Edited by Xoybun, 10th March 2013 - 06:30 AM.
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| Xoybun | 10th March 2013 - 06:32 AM Post #15 |
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Not sure about Slemani, it was created 260 years ago, they could have moved there |
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| Worldwar2boy | 10th March 2013 - 07:34 AM Post #16 |
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No, we as a people were not all Jews. There were very large Jewish communities, but our original religion is Yezidi of course. Many Kurds converted to Judaism and Christianity after conquerors came, etc. But unfortunately for us the last conquerors where the filthy Arabs who came to spoil our lands with their Islam ideology. Why did those Kurds even convert? What did they think was wrong with Christianity or Judaism. Because remember people: we Kurds were FORCED to become muslims centuries ago. They killed Kurdish women and children and they converted out of fear, not out of believe. They started practicing the religion to stay alive and they have passed that on. I don't know what good Islam has brought to us. In my opinion every Kurd that doesn't stand up for Ey Reqib and praises our flag like it is a sacred, holy thing, should not be called a Kurd and should be banished from all Kurdish activities, groups and society. I am referring to that Islamist hate-beard of course. But before we do that, we should shave off his beard and force him to eat it. If he asks for sauce to make it easier, he shall receive a big bowl of shizz. |
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| Xoybun | 10th March 2013 - 08:18 AM Post #17 |
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Jews didn't come as conquerors, they came as guests to Kurdistan after the Assyrian empire destroyed Israel and something about the ten tribes... |
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| Brendar | 10th March 2013 - 08:20 AM Post #18 |
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How? |
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| Brendar | 10th March 2013 - 08:22 AM Post #19 |
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Islam has destroyed 70% of Kurdish land, identity and culture. |
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| Qandil | 10th March 2013 - 08:24 AM Post #20 |
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Well, I think Muslims would kill us in masses then. Like the Assyrians. But we are what we are. We have to accept this reality. |
| "Kurdino! Bibin yek; eger hûn nebin yek, hûn ê herin yek bi yek." - Cigerxwîn. | |
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| Brendar | 10th March 2013 - 08:27 AM Post #21 |
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"quran" says "Kill non-muslims". muslims or arabs particularly, will not hesitate to kill us in masses if it was up to them. |
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| ALAN | 3rd July 2013 - 06:26 PM Post #22 |
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| jjmuneer | 3rd July 2013 - 08:55 PM Post #23 |
 
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I just think Kurds should of defended themselves, instead of surrendered to Islam. That is why luristan-i-Kuchik resisted Islamisation till the early 17th century. Only when we had no choice but to convert, or risk fighting the Persians and the Ottomans. We were the only state to maintain the semi-nomadic culture collectively and maintain the rule of the Atabegs(of Cheiftains of Luristan/Pahla). Even our name of Luristan only changed in the 13th century. So I don't think we should convert to any religon, because converting to another religon for political reasons is just cheating yourself. So I really doubt Kurds converting back to Zorastrianism is neccassirly the right thing to do, because I don't know if people actually belief in waht the prophet Zoraster said.
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| Worldwar2boy | 3rd July 2013 - 10:59 PM Post #24 |
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Look at the filthy unwashed PIG! We should force those extremists to eat pig meat. I am atheist myself, but don't eat pig because the animal itself is just disgusting. But these extremists should be forced to eat it! Ultimate humiliation! |
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| Worldwar2boy | 3rd July 2013 - 11:11 PM Post #25 |
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Or just have no religion at all. Just believe in a God/Xwa and believe in it in your own way. Pray like you think is the right way. Do what you think is the best thing to do. Why do religions claim God is exclusive to them!? I am an atheist, but do people really think (that if there is a God) that there is a special Jewish God, a Christian God, a Yezidi God, etc.? If there is one, it is the same and he prefers no religion. I believe in a higher power, we didn't became what we are today just by chance. There must be a higher power, something we will never understand. But finding refuge in religion and in a God... Do you know how big the universe is? Earth is not even the size of an ant in our own galaxy... And I believe that's part of our milkyway. And than you heve the observable universe. And than there is trillions of times more space... And 'someone' creates all of this? Who created him? Everytime I ask that question, people say either ''OMG you can not question that'' or ''He was always there'' .................. |
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