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| Topic Started: 18th November 2012 - 07:31 PM (2,002,108 Views) | |
| Tevger | 29th June 2015 - 01:59 AM Post #13726 |
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I think it is a common mistake to make anything big out of turkish threats. We must understand that turkish governmental politics work in two ways: 1) What they convey to relax and convince the turkish population, 2) What they actually do in the end. Usually, there is no connection between the two. A turkish president or government leader might say '' We will not accept a Kurdish state'' ( they already said that numerous times with KRG) but the end result usually tells us that nothing really happens. This is because the turkish people, being mostly paranoid of any kind of Kurdish victories, a confused and afraid of what is happening in the region. The turkish government has to say these things. There is no other way. Can you imagine Erdogan or any other turkish politician openly saying '' We do not actually have anything against a Kurdish state as long as that Kurdish state is not a threat to Turkey''. That is not realistic and that kind of rhetorics would be punished by the ordinary paranoid turk. Ironically though, this is exactly Turkey's stance when it comes to Southern Kurdistan ten years after they had threatened invading Southern Kurdistan. There is however one factor that is a little different. The ones creating a Kurdish state in Western Kurdistan are the prime ''enemies'' of Turkey. It is PKK/PYD and this is a factor we have to take into consideration. Turkey never held any great animosity towards KDP/PUK thus it was actually easy to convince the turks that in reality a Southern Kurdistan state would truly not pose any threat to Turkey. It is going to be a little difficult for the turkish state to convince the turks that in fact a '' PKK State'' in Rojava will not pose a threat to Turkey. This is actually where the peace process will play in on a number of situations. First and foremost, the peace process has kept a some sort of peace within the turkish borders compared to previos years. Second of the peace process has included direct talks between PKK and the state... Something that could be characterized as making PKK legitimate. Third of the HDP is having quite a success convincing turks that in fact there is no animosity between PKK and the ordinary Turkish people. My prediction is this: Turkey will ramble on for another couple of months about this buffer zone but nothing is gonna happen in the end. Do not misunderstand me though. I am not a fool nor naive and I know that even though turkey can not invade at the same time they will do whatever in their power to sabotage Kurdish success in Rojava. The end result will be that Turkey will have to recognize Western Kurdistan and if the Kurdish parties play it off smart, the main Kurdish parties outside of PKK (KDP,PUK, Gorran, KDPI) will form some sort platform in which PKK and Turkey can accept each other. |
 
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| Ali Alqosh | 29th June 2015 - 02:25 AM Post #13727 |
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In Amed Hereketa Azadî arranged burial prayers for the sehids of Kobanî. This is our islam. There is this Mela within KDP, Mela Xîsan. He says this: Gullala (Celawla) heta Kobanî, evê îslama min. This is the kind of muslimkurds I love with all of my heart. Nothing more beautiful.
Edited by Ali Alqosh, 29th June 2015 - 02:27 AM.
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| Ghost | 29th June 2015 - 02:34 AM Post #13728 |
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I know mate. They may have better equipments and training, but we have the spirit of warriors in us. Also we have great morale. |
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| Ghost | 29th June 2015 - 02:47 AM Post #13729 |
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According to Asayish head Ciwan Ibrahim nearly 300 Syrian regime forces surrendered to YPG and Asayish in Hassake. Tel Brak: YPG took over Said and Sekman Ali regime outposts west of Sheikh gas station where Daesh went yesterday after SAA withdrawal. |
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| ALAN | 29th June 2015 - 02:52 AM Post #13730 |
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USA will bomb it and who ever is in it. That's if they want to cut all ISIS supplies from turks... |
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| ALAN | 29th June 2015 - 04:03 AM Post #13731 |
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Video report on Kobani shows 80 daash rats have been put out of their misery... great to see turkish plans keep failing on Rojava, Rojava will prevail evil will lose... |
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| ALAN | 29th June 2015 - 04:05 AM Post #13732 |
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We really can't trust FSA no matter where they come from
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| Worldwar2boy | 29th June 2015 - 04:29 AM Post #13733 |
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Kurdistan, Yan Naman.
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FSA = rats. But we need to use these rats and play them against their rat leader, Turkey, where and whenever possible. |
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| ALAN | 29th June 2015 - 05:01 AM Post #13734 |
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Listen to this Rojavayy Peshmerga |
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| Fire | 29th June 2015 - 09:58 PM Post #13735 |
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| Qandil | 29th June 2015 - 10:08 PM Post #13736 |
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"If Turkey enters Rojava, PKK will enter Rojava. Then all of Turkey becomes a battlefield." - Murat Karayilan. He also said: "If Turkey attacks Rojava (west Kurdistan) we will attack Turkey." |
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| Fire | 29th June 2015 - 10:18 PM Post #13737 |
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He even said we'll turn Turkey into a full war zone which clearly implicates that a possible war against the Turks will take place in the cities. Like Istanbul, Izmir and so on. YDGH is everywhere. The f**king Turks should know that. |
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| Qandil | 29th June 2015 - 10:22 PM Post #13738 |
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If they touch Rojava, only then, Turkey will face real terrorism. |
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| Worldwar2boy | 29th June 2015 - 10:25 PM Post #13739 |
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Kurdistan, Yan Naman.
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If the genocidal descendants of rapists and barbarians, or commonly known as Turks, decide to terrorise the peaceful innocent Kurds and other ethnic groups of Rojava, the Kurds and other ethnic groups have every right to terrorise the war mongering Turks, in every Turkish city and in every Turks town and village, in retaliation for the Turks' desire to disturb the lives of others. If they don't allow us to live in peace, we'll never allow them to live in peace either. |
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| Fire | 29th June 2015 - 10:31 PM Post #13740 |
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 As Qandil said yesterday. The f**king Turks wanna enter from Jarablus and then create an occupation zone from Jarablus to Dabiq possibly to prevent the connection of the cantons.
Edited by Fire, 29th June 2015 - 10:32 PM.
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| Worldwar2boy | 29th June 2015 - 11:11 PM Post #13741 |
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Kurdistan, Yan Naman.
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How are they going to prevent it. YPG can just go around them and connect the cantons via a ''curve'' instead of a straight line. |
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| Tevger | 30th June 2015 - 12:27 AM Post #13742 |
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FSA and ISIS are clashing at the moment in between Efrin and Jerablus. Would it be possible for FSA to connect to Jerablus ? |
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| Rizgaar | 30th June 2015 - 01:57 AM Post #13743 |
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Exactly! we could just go further south and proceed connecting our cantons. Can someone elaborate on this? Qandil help. |
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| Ali Alqosh | 30th June 2015 - 02:10 AM Post #13744 |
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The turkish sons of whores really want a war. I just listened to Davutoglu say: We are ready to do whatever it takes. I happened to see this when I opened the TV. Turkish airforce and artiklery everything is ready. They are waiting orders.
Edited by Ali Alqosh, 30th June 2015 - 02:36 AM.
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| jjmuneer | 30th June 2015 - 02:55 AM Post #13745 |
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Guys this is just what you call "Playing war games". I doubt any of this will come to fruition, considering the implications it will have upon Turkey. Even the pretext is such a weak one, "A buffer zone". |
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| Qandil | 30th June 2015 - 05:21 AM Post #13746 |
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The Turks plan on making this the buffer zone: |
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| Fire | 30th June 2015 - 05:32 AM Post #13747 |
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http://ku.hawarnews.com/putin-tirkiye-bikeve-suriyeye-de-me-li-hemberi-xwe-bibine/ |
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| Qandil | 30th June 2015 - 06:04 AM Post #13748 |
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According to CNN Türk, these are the towns that Erdogan wants to take: - Jarabulus - Manbij - Qabasin - Sawran - Dabiq - Al-Ra'i |
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| Tevger | 30th June 2015 - 06:11 AM Post #13749 |
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There are two things that most of the world does not want at the moment: 1) Is for Kurds to connect all three cantons 2) For Turkey to intervene Now, if you were China, Russia, Europe... Or any other great nation, which of these two scenarios would cause the most damage to the war in Syria? Obviously it is for Turkey to intervene because this would essentially be the first time a country intervenes. The world could ''accept'' Kurds trying to connect the cantons, but the world community would never ever accept another country, especially not Turkey, to directly intervene. |
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| Pker2theend | 30th June 2015 - 06:41 AM Post #13750 |
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If PKK is smart they will use Rojhava Peshmerga and PDKI forces to make the international community more aware, instead of letting civilians die to let the international community know. |
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