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| Topic Started: 18th November 2012 - 07:31 PM (2,118,960 Views) | |
| kurdishpatriot | 28th June 2015 - 09:24 PM Post #13701 |
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is pak rojhelati party or what?
Edited by kurdishpatriot, 29th June 2015 - 04:36 AM.
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| Worldwar2boy | 28th June 2015 - 09:38 PM Post #13702 |
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There is nothing to not trust them over in this particular context. Iran and Syria are allies, both Shi'ite, and have been supporting each other for long. Assad used to support the PKK against Turkey and Turkey is threatening both Syria and Rojava. So Iran and Turkey are clearly against each other. If they decide to act, the conflict WILL escalate, which will make it a world war. Turkey = NATO If Turkey attacks Syria, it is violating Syria's, a UN country, sovereignty. Syria & Iran are allies. Iran will retaliate and send troops to defend Syria against Turkey's aggression, or even invade it to ease the Syrian army's war efforts. This means that Iran has now attacked a NATO country, which means NATO must act against Iran. BUT China and Russia have an alliance with Iran. If NATO attacks Iran, Russia will on its part attack NATO, which will likely escalate the conflict even further, which means the current Rojava conflict might very well be the start of World War 3. |
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| Qandil | 28th June 2015 - 10:01 PM Post #13703 |
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The Turks want to take over Jarablus, to prevent the link of Efrîn with Kobanî. |
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| Hazirmagron | 28th June 2015 - 10:17 PM Post #13704 |
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Seems like it. Read that Jarablus is the last connection ISIS have with Turkey. We can only wait to see how things unfold. I've always stated that a Turkish intervention is highly unlikely but everything could happen. Turkey is becoming even more desperate and with that comes uncertainty of what they might do. One thing is certain and that is that they'll do whatever they can to prevent YPG from advancing further to the west. PYD has done an excellent job on the political front. They have western support, negligible confrontations with SAA, are fighting alongside FSA fractions and have the world's civilians support. |
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| Ghost | 28th June 2015 - 10:34 PM Post #13705 |
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Lol let those turkish asslickers attack. They might have better equipment etc. but still we will kick their asses. By the way, what do you guys think is the Pêshmerge going to do? They wanted to enter Rojava as well, to help their rojavayi brothers. Do you think the Pêshmerge is going to do nothing about it or just going to be neutral??? Come at us, you ugly mongolic piece of shizz. |
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| kurdo82 | 28th June 2015 - 10:49 PM Post #13706 |
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no, PAK is a kurdistani party. |
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| AlanJunior | 28th June 2015 - 11:09 PM Post #13707 |
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We must stop the Turks at all cost. Gali Kurd da bibin yek... |
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| Qandil | 28th June 2015 - 11:09 PM Post #13708 |
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This is also how usually Erdogan flexes his muscles. There are coalition talks at the moment in Turkey. And indeed, PYD are master politicians. They have used both SAA and FSA to their advantage, gained momentum with western support (airstrikes) and have gained sympathy across the globe. |
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| kurdo82 | 28th June 2015 - 11:11 PM Post #13709 |
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the kurds must be very careful now, arab and turks are getting mad and they know that there s the danger for the first time since 600 years that they could fall under kurdish rule, everything is possible, turkey made a huge strategic mistake, they acted neutral to positive toward the islamic state, they did not close the borders, allowed the reinforcements to get in etc, Erdogan himself miscalculated the whole situation, he wanted to do what sarkozy did with libya, provoke a war and topple the libyan regime; assad was deemed to be his victim, but he didnt have the same support as France in the western hemisphere and not the same amount of might, in libya there was a regime change while syria collapsed and fragmented instead and the french were ready to invest ressources, they bombed libya and they actually contained the conflict activly, the french intervened in mali etc to scale down the effects of the conflict while erdogan thought that he could use the fifth colum of the fsa, al nusra and the islamic state to do the work, he thought he could involve nato in the fighting and not his army and then reap the benefits, he failed to contain the conflict after the spillover into iraq and left the issue for the americans to deal with it and he underestimated the kurds as usual, now he s isolated in the nato etc, he has lost political credit in the arab world, made the kurds his defacto enemy and is gambling with turkeys strategic position, leaving him with two options, accepting that the kurds may reach the sea, thus making turkeys strategic position as an oil and gas transport hub pretty useless, loosing land conection to the arab world, thus being forced into europe, leaving all his dreams of options in the moddle east to vanish as the kurds would shoot a bolt between the turks and arabs, thats all his fear with ethnic cleansing, kurds may be resettled in the newly liberated region in numbers, creating a kurdish majority areas while arabs and turks would be seperated from eachother geographically and economywise it would push turkey into the european theatre in which they could not pick up a leading role the same way, they do in the middle east but turkey would live in peace or they can risk a total war with the real possibility of a break up of turkey, its up to him.
Edited by kurdo82, 29th June 2015 - 03:21 AM.
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| Qandil | 28th June 2015 - 11:13 PM Post #13710 |
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Heval, this is not some Hollywood movie. Kurdish fighters are warriors, there's no doubt in that. But they'll defeat us in Rojava. There's no discussion about that. However, we can defeat them in the heart of Turkey. We can literally destroy their country and economy. But on the battlefield, particularly in the flat lands of Rojava, sadly, we will not. |
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| Worldwar2boy | 28th June 2015 - 11:55 PM Post #13711 |
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Yeah, Rojava is quite flat and doesn't have mountains like the rest of Kuridstan. Also, the Turks have a modern army, while YPG doesn't even have tanks or artillery (except for a few captured from ISIS). If Turkey attacks, Kurdish leadership must radically change and make sure to make the Turks suffer equally. And with that I mean move the war to the heartland of Turkey; Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir, etc. Hit their economy. Retaliate against the Turks for every Kurdish civilians that gets killed. Don't provoke; but if provoked, strike back and strike hard mercilessly. |
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| Alasha | 29th June 2015 - 12:53 AM Post #13712 |
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Iran: Existence of Kurdish force in North Syria is a threat to Turkey Source: http://rudaw.net/kurmanci/middleeast/iran/28062015 |
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| Worldwar2boy | 29th June 2015 - 01:03 AM Post #13713 |
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I don't think its legit since Iran just warned Turkey over interfering with Syria. And this pro-Turkey statement supposedly made by Iran was shared by an anti-Iranian, pro-Turkish newsagency. |
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| Diako | 29th June 2015 - 01:18 AM Post #13714 |
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Well lets put it this way.. Turkey will be the start of massive conflict which can escalate very quickly into a war, because if Turkey enters Iran will get involved and create its Shiite crescent. Then Saudi, then Israel, Merica, Russia, China so on. Personally I think the sultanlers are just flexing their oil injected muscles... which aren't even big. |
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| Tevger | 29th June 2015 - 01:59 AM Post #13715 |
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I think it is a common mistake to make anything big out of turkish threats. We must understand that turkish governmental politics work in two ways: 1) What they convey to relax and convince the turkish population, 2) What they actually do in the end. Usually, there is no connection between the two. A turkish president or government leader might say '' We will not accept a Kurdish state'' ( they already said that numerous times with KRG) but the end result usually tells us that nothing really happens. This is because the turkish people, being mostly paranoid of any kind of Kurdish victories, a confused and afraid of what is happening in the region. The turkish government has to say these things. There is no other way. Can you imagine Erdogan or any other turkish politician openly saying '' We do not actually have anything against a Kurdish state as long as that Kurdish state is not a threat to Turkey''. That is not realistic and that kind of rhetorics would be punished by the ordinary paranoid turk. Ironically though, this is exactly Turkey's stance when it comes to Southern Kurdistan ten years after they had threatened invading Southern Kurdistan. There is however one factor that is a little different. The ones creating a Kurdish state in Western Kurdistan are the prime ''enemies'' of Turkey. It is PKK/PYD and this is a factor we have to take into consideration. Turkey never held any great animosity towards KDP/PUK thus it was actually easy to convince the turks that in reality a Southern Kurdistan state would truly not pose any threat to Turkey. It is going to be a little difficult for the turkish state to convince the turks that in fact a '' PKK State'' in Rojava will not pose a threat to Turkey. This is actually where the peace process will play in on a number of situations. First and foremost, the peace process has kept a some sort of peace within the turkish borders compared to previos years. Second of the peace process has included direct talks between PKK and the state... Something that could be characterized as making PKK legitimate. Third of the HDP is having quite a success convincing turks that in fact there is no animosity between PKK and the ordinary Turkish people. My prediction is this: Turkey will ramble on for another couple of months about this buffer zone but nothing is gonna happen in the end. Do not misunderstand me though. I am not a fool nor naive and I know that even though turkey can not invade at the same time they will do whatever in their power to sabotage Kurdish success in Rojava. The end result will be that Turkey will have to recognize Western Kurdistan and if the Kurdish parties play it off smart, the main Kurdish parties outside of PKK (KDP,PUK, Gorran, KDPI) will form some sort platform in which PKK and Turkey can accept each other. |
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| Ali Alqosh | 29th June 2015 - 02:25 AM Post #13716 |
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In Amed Hereketa Azadî arranged burial prayers for the sehids of Kobanî. This is our islam. There is this Mela within KDP, Mela Xîsan. He says this: Gullala (Celawla) heta Kobanî, evê îslama min. This is the kind of muslimkurds I love with all of my heart. Nothing more beautiful.
Edited by Ali Alqosh, 29th June 2015 - 02:27 AM.
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| Ghost | 29th June 2015 - 02:34 AM Post #13717 |
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I know mate. They may have better equipments and training, but we have the spirit of warriors in us. Also we have great morale. |
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| Ghost | 29th June 2015 - 02:47 AM Post #13718 |
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According to Asayish head Ciwan Ibrahim nearly 300 Syrian regime forces surrendered to YPG and Asayish in Hassake. Tel Brak: YPG took over Said and Sekman Ali regime outposts west of Sheikh gas station where Daesh went yesterday after SAA withdrawal. |
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| ALAN | 29th June 2015 - 02:52 AM Post #13719 |
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USA will bomb it and who ever is in it. That's if they want to cut all ISIS supplies from turks... |
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| ALAN | 29th June 2015 - 04:03 AM Post #13720 |
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Video report on Kobani shows 80 daash rats have been put out of their misery... great to see turkish plans keep failing on Rojava, Rojava will prevail evil will lose... |
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| ALAN | 29th June 2015 - 04:05 AM Post #13721 |
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We really can't trust FSA no matter where they come from
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| Worldwar2boy | 29th June 2015 - 04:29 AM Post #13722 |
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FSA = rats. But we need to use these rats and play them against their rat leader, Turkey, where and whenever possible. |
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| ALAN | 29th June 2015 - 05:01 AM Post #13723 |
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Listen to this Rojavayy Peshmerga |
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| Fire | 29th June 2015 - 09:58 PM Post #13724 |
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| Qandil | 29th June 2015 - 10:08 PM Post #13725 |
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"If Turkey enters Rojava, PKK will enter Rojava. Then all of Turkey becomes a battlefield." - Murat Karayilan. He also said: "If Turkey attacks Rojava (west Kurdistan) we will attack Turkey." |
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