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Political Chit Chat
Topic Started: 8th January 2013 - 06:55 AM (56,460 Views)
Worldwar2boy
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All politic talks should be discussed here :)

This is my father in 1991, shortly after the beginning of the uprising in Slemani. He and his friends were one of the first Peshmerga groups to start the battle against the Ba'ath regime in Slemani. His pick-up was used to mount a 'doshka' (don't know the English name for this weapon) and it was used during the fight to capture the Prison of Slemani (Emna Suraka). He was also in Kirkuk and he was the commander and principal of the Prison of Slemani during the uprising (not Amna Suraka, but another prison). More than 300 Ba'athists were under his command and he 'interrogated' them. Many of these Ba'athists were executed at Azmar mountain (not by my father or his Peshmerga, but by the Peshmerga High Command). Their names were send to my fathers Prison, they were selected their and other Peshmerga brought them to Azmar mountain. He was a Peshmerga in South-Kurdistan for 18 years :)

edit: --- I thought pictures were restricted to the members are lol ---
biji kurd u kurdistan !!
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Very nice I assume PUK peshmerga at the time?
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purearch72
8th January 2013 - 06:58 AM
Very nice I assume PUK peshmerga at the time?
Yes, he was a Peshmerga of Yeketi for the longest time.
His brother was a 'Jalali' and my mother's uncle was also a 'Jalali' (the first ones to be with Mam Jalal).
My uncle (my father's brother) went to Baghdad somewhere in the beginning of the 1970's, but they don't know what happened to him and the large group of Peshmerga (around 1,000) who went to Baghdad. It was probably a trick of the filthy regime. They went for peace talks, but they were murdered in their hotel rooms at night and nobody knows what happened to their bodies.

My father was also Peshmerga of Hesk (or Hisk / Hsk don't know how to spell lol) for a period. Reason for this was because Mam Rostam didn't give him one of the AK47's my father captured after a battle. So my father took the rifle of Mam Rostam (LOL :P ) and joined Hsk, but later returned because Mam Rostam liked him for being brave and having the nerve to take his rifle, my father was very young when that happened (almost a rookie :p ).

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What's hsk?
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purearch72
8th January 2013 - 07:10 AM
What's hsk?
That was another Kurdish party.
It was the smallest of the 3 and I believe it was socialist or communist. But my father joined Hsk Peshmerga because Mam Rostam didn't give him any of the weapons he (= my father) captured after a fight, so it was more out of 'revenge' or 'anger' that he joined Hsk.

Hsk was a small Peshmerga party, but they were probably the strongest of all 3 parties. My father always tells me that the Peshmerga who fought with real honor and with real strength and fury were the ones @ hsk. There were a few brother wars before the civil war in the 1990's and my father fought a few times against the PUK (so against his own friends, he was first a PUK member, then for a very short period Hsk, then again PUK).

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Ok I found the meaning and correct spelling:

it is HiSK and it stands for Hizbi Sosyalisti Kurd.
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Do you mean the small guy mam rostam?
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diako_ber
8th January 2013 - 07:29 AM
Do you mean the small guy mam rostam?
Yes, this guy;

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He lives a few hundreds meter from my grandmothers house in Slemani :P.

I've seen him sitting outside his house a few times, he has one or two guards :P.
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No 7sk is NOT related to mam rostam guys 7sk is led by 7amay 7aji ma7mud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUbgqOGRs9Y

Mam rostam WAS a senior PUK member but split and joined Gorran ever since.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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SK parties are listed according to their popularity

PDK (ruling party)
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GORRAN (change) opposition
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PUK (ruling party)
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YAKGRTU-KIU (Islamic) opposition
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7SK-ZE7MET KÊSHAN (toilers party) coalition
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BZUTNEWE (Islamic) opposition
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Aynde party (future party by Qadir AZIZ) opposition
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SHU3I (Communists) coalition
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sorry about the pic sizes that is all i could find :(
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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7SK-ZE7MET KÊSHAN (toilers party) I thought this was an East Kurdistan party?
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there is one in SK as well :)
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Interesting..PKK mentality
Edited by purearch72, 8th January 2013 - 03:00 PM.
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im not an expert on political parties of NK, but i know EK had 1 Dimukrat, it became 2 Dimukrat and Komele then they recently reunited and a new one was born from pkk-->pjak.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Logos of opposition parties of SK

Aynda party - KIU - Bzutnaway Islami - Gorran

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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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PDK - PUK logos (notice the PUK logo writings "self-determination) PUK has always called for self determination and PDK slogan is Federalism, until recently it has changed to self-determination.

imo, PDK and PUK should join up after Talabani it will make a super strong party :)

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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Is there any logo for Kurdistan (Democratic) Socialist Party? The party is led by Mahmud Othman.
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no he is not running any party he is now a Kurdish MP in Baghdad
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Western Kurdistan party logos (KNC)

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Heval Tevger is here. Guys please we can "criticise" our political parties but pls refrain from calling them traitors and similar words, no party is a traitor including Islamic ones they all struggle for our cause each in its distinctive way. :)

We shall be completely different from rbk
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Discussions in our SK Parliament on budget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWp14TCMN5I
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qTm9lzF_MY
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Sirî Sakîk responds to CHP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u2br-9r2Ls
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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BDP leader Selahedîn Demîrtaş interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiHutPu2m1E
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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someone please translate this for us !?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhE6hLr3jWA
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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